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I have also tried a 4 year old Schimmel k189 and a new Hoffmann T186 and these two are the front runners. I need to play both of these again but there is a large difference in price between the two (the new hoffmann being the cheapest by a margin).
They are both good pianos and I could happily live with both but I wouls welcome the hard headed views of the professionals on the pros and cons of each make to help with the decision. Thanks in anticipation.
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All good names there, but cant really comment on 'restored' pianos - doesnt mean a thing here. Depends on the level of restoration, age of piano.... and have they had a complete restoration - ie new action (not just the old wooden parts refurbed); new wrest plank (a MUST if an old Bechstein) - and of course depends on the model, length of new bass strings/ tone quality/ touch ...... all a matter of personal taste. Also ask if they have photos of their restorations - I usually provide detailed 'before, during & after' photos of the big projects.
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out of the box the W Hoffmann has the edge on tone in the Mid and the bass but the Schimmel has the vote for the top end. On the playing Action, the Schimmel out of the box is better then the W Hoffmann but that depend on the retailer it came form . However, spend some time on the action on W Hoffmann it becomes a very nice all round piano.Horace wrote:thanks for the reply. I think I have decided against restored and really focussing on the pros and cons of the hoffmann and the schimmel and would welcome comments on those. Anyone any thoughts on what I should pay for a 4 year old Schimmel K189? It is very difficult to know what an appropriate price is as nearly new pianos seem very scarce.
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the Hoffmann price is very good in my opinion and the dealer has a very good reputation (as does the dealer selling the Schimmel!)
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and the end of the day we all can give our opinion but... you can line up 3 of each makes of piano and have six different pianos all sounding different and that is even more so on second-hand.
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The Hoffmann is getting rave reviews and is being stocked by Jeffrey Shackell amongst others, so that's quite high praise indeed.
Out of the pianos you've tried, my favourite would be the Yamaha C3 followed by the Kawai, perhaps equal. Then the Hoffmann, which I think is a fine piano, and has a different tonal flavour to the Japanese instruments.
I guess it really comes down to what you like. You might love the Schimmel and be happy with the price, in which case, buy it and enjoy it!
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Don't be shy. It's a lot of money, try to find out who is most desperate and you could snatch a bargain.
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Failing that just get a steinway

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I would have thought the Hoffman would be around 24k new? I am not sure what the Schimmel would be, but a friend of mine bought a new Schimmel C182 (i.e. not the Konzert series) for around that price very recently so I can only assume the K189 would be a fair bit more when new - 35k maybe? Has the example you are looking at been heavily used over the last four years?
One option to help value the Schimmel would be to call the Piano Auctions (www.pianoauctions.co.uk) to find out how much they think one would go for at auction.
I bought a new upright about a year ago, and in the end the choice came down to a Grotrian and a Bechstein. Although the sticker prices between the two were not hugely different, I was offered a great deal on the Grotrian and went for that after a lot of deliberation. After nearly a year, I am very pleased with my choice and I am glad I did not spend the extra on the Bechstein.
Maybe one question you could consider asking yourself is which one you would buy if they were the same price? If you aren't sure maybe you need to go back and play them some more?
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Thats proably a wise way of doing it. The fantasy massive discount is always a bit dubious when theres only one or 2 dealers stocking it.rgreig wrote:Maybe one question you could consider asking yourself is which one you would buy if they were the same price? If you aren't sure maybe you need to go back and play them some more?
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I have played the Schimmel again today and sounds and feels better than I remembered the first time. I was tending towards the cheaper Hoffmann until today but up in the air again now. I will play the Hoffmann again before deciding.
On other (more US based forums) the Schimmel brand seems to get a better rating than on this forum where there have been a few negative posts about them being overpriced for what they are. It's all very subjective isn't it? I tried a Seiler and really wanted to like it (German, history, a few good recordings on Youtube etc) but it was pretty horrible but some people rave over them. Conversely I did like the Kawai RX3 a lot and thought I wouldn't. The C3 was pretty good too but not quite me.
The idea of picking the one you would buy if they were priced the same is a noble thought but, at the end of the day we all have to make sensible compromises based on price, value, quality etc. It's a bit of a selfish purchase really as i am the only one who plays and it takes up a fair bit of room! You could get a few decent family holidays out of the money - still, don't need a new kitchen for a while (say, 30 years)!! People would blow more on a car without thinking I suppose.
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Meant new GP-range of grand pianos they are a dwaddle to tune,and hold well.Kawais improvement is due to Steinway intervention in their manufacturing process back in 1992 and has taken them nearly 15 years to get it right,and if my opinion they have now.dancarney wrote:I hope the PE upgrades are huge. I've tuned three Bostons (pre-PE) and they have such a mushy-feeling wrest plank.

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Tone is subjective,but the new range are nice to tune,do agree the older Boston and Kawais lacked tone.Gill the Piano wrote:...and a sterile soulless sound on the ones I tune.
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That's good to know!joe wrote:Meant new GP-range of grand pianos they are a dwaddle to tune,and hold well.Kawais improvement is due to Steinway intervention in their manufacturing process back in 1992 and has taken them nearly 15 years to get it right,and if my opinion they have now.dancarney wrote:I hope the PE upgrades are huge. I've tuned three Bostons (pre-PE) and they have such a mushy-feeling wrest plank.
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