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Clicky wrest pins...

Post by Gill the Piano » 13 Jan 2015, 16:48

...on otherwise nice Grotrian Steinweg grand, from tenor break almost to the treble one. Is there any remedy other than a new wrest plank?
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Post by Colin Nicholson » 13 Jan 2015, 18:00

if plank contaminated & old (eg pin tite) .... not usually remedied.... however a risky job could be to replace offending pins and brush French chalk on threads (talc).... it cured a Bechstein but having said that, it was re-strung at the same time. One of those 50/50 chances jobs to warn customer.... :?:
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Post by Gill the Piano » 14 Jan 2015, 19:29

I suggested a restring along with new wrest plank - but moving the piano entails a crane and a window! I explained that several unisons were uneasy compromises and I expect he'll settle for that. I could try my old mentor's trick of tuning over pitch as close as poss then stretching the string with a split stick...
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Post by Withindale » 17 Jan 2015, 12:07

Would it worth trying CA/Superglue treatment on one or two pins to see if that might do the trick (even if Pin-Tite or something has already been used)?

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Post by Gill the Piano » 17 Jan 2015, 14:46

I think discretion is the best part of valour. There is an excellent local(ish) technician who has forgotten far more about pianos than I shall ever know...if the client is that worried, I may recommend his services.
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Post by Barrie Heaton » 18 Jan 2015, 12:35

Gill the Piano wrote:I think discretion is the best part of valour. There is an excellent local(ish) technician who has forgotten far more about pianos than I shall ever know...if the client is that worried, I may recommend his services.

Ron Bird (IMIT PTA) is very good at restringing and is happy to do it on site anywhere in the UK

if the plank will take it, then it should be reamed out first. However, that will mean putting oversized pins in and that can be just as big a pain for stable tuning than clicky pins Myself I would say a new plank is they way to go. as to moving the piano that no biggy for the likes of Piano Logistics who have cranes built in the trucks.


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Re: Clicky wrest pins...

Post by Withindale » 18 Jan 2015, 13:23

Withindale wrote:Would it worth trying CA/Superglue treatment on one or two pins to see if that might do the trick (even if Pin-Tite or something has already been used)?
BTW I had this post and the owner's bank balance in mind:
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthre ... ost2356168.

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Re: Clicky wrest pins...

Post by Gill the Piano » 18 Jan 2015, 18:48

There is already a sprinkling of oversized pins in the wrest plank, which would imply that there have been all sorts of problems for a long time. A few are too loose but the central section is the evil bit...
It's not the restring in situ that I was thinking of, more the lifting out of the frame and insertion of the new plank.
Thanks for the link - I shall have a look!
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Post by vernon » 29 Jan 2015, 10:42

regarding rubbing down recalcitrant strings to pitch with a split stick, I would inform you that there is already a special tool for the job ........ the plastic box that houses yer Papps wedge.
Fully recommended,material of the exact texture and lubricity.
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Post by Gill the Piano » 29 Jan 2015, 18:06

I always lose the boxes. I was taught to use them as a rough key dip guide too... Can the wedge box get a good enough grip on the string? I have visions of simply slipping off it sideways. And that's BEFORE I have a pint.
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Post by vernon » 30 Jan 2015, 20:29

Fear not.
Mr Papps has formulated the plastic of his wedge boxes very specifically.
It will allow of a small groove when first used but the groove does not wear and ensures the new tool does not digress from it's proper course onto a lateral path that could could cause curses and scratches on the soundboard and result in a dreadful zeugma.
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Post by Withindale » 30 Jan 2015, 21:04

I can recognise a clicky wrest pin but how do you do tell a recalitrant string that needs rubbing down to pitch? Or am I missing a point?
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Post by vernon » 30 Jan 2015, 23:05

When tuning with clicky pins, you often get a "recalcitrant" string that clicks up in pitch past where it should be and when you try to drop it the click takes it down too low and it will keep doing it ad infinitum.
So, Gill the Piano and I take the string above where it should be then rub the string with the aforementioned artifact and it will gradually go into tune saving much time and Prozac
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