- Colin Nicholson
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The numbers you give dont match S&M serial numbers - this may be inside near the tuning pins, on the side panel inside, or on the soundboard. Any numbers punched on the edge facing the top lid (facing the ceiling) are usually stock or cabinet numbers - which are not recorded. Regrettably, pianos are not like cars, there is no ready available book to give values - you will need an on-the-spot/ onsite inspection by a piano tuner who specialises in and takes interest in piano values & history.
Look inside the piano, or remove the front top panel and the number may be there.
Bill may be able to give you more information.
Photos are also helpful.
Hope that helps
I am wondering a very similar thing. I own an Upright Piano 1886 By Special Appointment To HRH The Princess Of Wales John Spencer & Co. Made in London, England circa 1886 / 88
By John G. Murdoch & Co. Ltd.
I personally have owned this piano for 30 years and live in Toronto, Canada. It is of my understanding that when my parents bought it for me it had originally came from London, England. It has been re-stained and refurnished. Needs tuning and the keys do stick. This is due to the temperature and humidity. It changes pending. That said, could anyone please help me get a better understanding of this beauty? I would like to sell it, as it no longer holds value in our home. Sad but true.
Thank you, tasha
and the 1880s Spencer examples at
I don't think Murdoch was involved with Spencer that early, and he wasn't Ltd. until after 1897.
I don't think Murdoch had a Chatham branch until the 1900s.
Certainly Spencer's royal appointment was 1902, and mentioned on hundreds (if not thousands) of their pianos made after that.
If you look inside the top, you should find serial numbers that tell us how old it is. See the Spencer list at
My guess is 1908. I hope all that helps with the history, but in local auctions here in the UK, where antique pianos are plentiful, you would be lucky to get £20. I can't speak for the Canadian market.