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joe

That Yamaha U30BL looks dodgy,been offered worth with a low cost van.

joe

Used Yamaha market must be tough,sign of the times.

joe

Seems a good deal take a reputable local piano tuner to view and check instrument.The protective strip on the music desk shows the piano is an import from the Far-East and is not a sign that piano has been serviced it a sign that it just out a piano container for export.A U30BL is to my knowledge is...

joe

Often wondered what a Wendl and Lung was now i no its either a German beer or an Austrian fag

joe

To use a 1950s axiom---so what! Was it any good? £800 gives no indication of it's condition.A raving, musically and technically challenged maniac(excuse the cliche) may have paid that for it-- or a qualified technician. My case is restless You would have to be "a raving,musically and technical...

joe

Wendl and Lung are fantastic value for money pianos. They knock spots of any old scruffy Yamaha or Kawai's. To offer £400 for one secondhand is an insult to any 3 year old piano. I would estimate between £1995 and £2,400 would be a fare price to pay for it. Tuning stability on Wendl's are great. At...

joe

My search for a piano for my daughter to start her grade 7 had taken a break but on starting my search again we have come across a Wendl and Lung 122 which she likes. I know the new RRP is around £3350 - could someone please give me an idea of what would be a reasonable price to pay for a 3/4 year ...

joe

Excellent! Someone asks for advice on buying a European piano and everyone suggests Kawai and Yamaha. OK, so there are none made within the £15000.00 price range so lets look at other options. Within budget are 10 year old Shimmels, Sauters and Ronich grands for a start. Yes I know they are not new...

joe

Thanks Bob,not as up to date as before looks like Kawai looking to adopt Yamaha tatics.

joe

You could always have a new action fitted by many skilled piano personal if not content with whats in place at the moment.

joe

The GM10 is the cheaper Indonesian-made one isn't it? The GE20 is the higher quality Japanese made one I think. Someone correct me if I'm wrong please. I've read that the GE20 also has the carbon fibre action parts so you might want to read up on them but they should be fine and of course in theory...

joe

Would buy piano at that price,has been in their showroom for about 4 years as they are no longer Kemble dealers,instrument will be tuned,regulated before delivery and will have a full warranty,they are not BOX Dealers unlike others and have been around roughly 40 years.

joe

I am about to buy my first piano (i'm about grade 7 but never owned a piano before) and a considering an ex-rental Kemble Oxford for about ?2700. My only concern is that if you play the notes very gently you often hear that they repeat (the note sounds again after you initially played the key). I'v...

joe

Congratulation Robert,the Grotrian-Steinweg range of pianos allude to quality have one of there 7foot 6 grands and their entry level upright,they improve with age, take a year or two to settle.

joe

You could try Peter Smith and Sons in Paisley. I was in a couple of weeks ago (not looking at Kawais) and they had at least three new grands - definitely an RX2 and RX3, and I think the largest was an RX5 but I can't quite remember. Robert Been there also would phone first before making trip and th...

joe

Grotrian-Steinweg are high quality pianos better built than Bechstein and still made in Germany to order,do take a couple to years to settle in new surroundings,super choice.

joe

So what your pecking order on uprights and grands so far?

joe

Also if piano is holding pitch and no slipping pins why not have the tuner/tech steel wool the strings and give the grand a good clean minus the action

joe

Better with complete new hammer head on this occasion as the resin may have gone thru to the bore so recovering may be hit and miss.Done a grand where the hammers had been doped and tried recovering made no much difference replacing the head done the trick.As a rule always prefer to recover,but if h...

joe

Piano Logistics for me every time,might cost more but job professionally done.

joe

If you are happy with the sound keep it if not sell it,restringing,new hammers and dampers etc will not always give you the results you want no matter how well the restoration is done always a gamble.There is no doubt that the Hamburg Steinway sound and build quality is better than the New York prod...

joe

By all means pass your opinion as a player but regarding the construction,rebuilding and whats invovled in the physics of Steinways you are not qualified. That was a bit rude. I'm only saying I enjoyed playing them What you are saying is that Steinway pianos are overpriced and from previous threads...

joe

Johnkie wrote:Don't take the bait Mark - Mr Grumpy must have a degree in rudeness as well as an unbounding font of knowledge of the English language

Nothing grumpy plain facts and yes my spelling and phrasing does lack as am an ignoramus but not regards pianos.

joe

,From a tuner/tech/stringer/action rebuider/etc the Steinway pianos of today and 100 years ago are in a class of their own regards materials design patents and build quality,how often do you have to replace soundboards,wrestpalnks the answer never the prices are not over inflated they are the Rolls...

joe

I think the old Bechsteins offer a good alternative to the inflated prices of similar size/age Steinway grands. I prefer the lighter touch of a Bechstein grand and I love the tone too. However, I've never really taken to Bechstein uprights for some reason. Too many of them have only 85 keys or are ...

joe

Yes the Bechstein brand been around a long time,where are the pianos made? how many owners have they had in their long history? selling a brand fine but where the quality.The 2 pianos i dislike the most are Petrof and Bechstein.Petrof are grossly inflated price wise,poor designs,action unreliable an...

joe

Hi,have you played a Steinway V or K model yet? as the Bechstein model 8 are roughly the same price if you want to send me a private message i tell you my experience with 2 of these pianos.Boston 126 and 132 are also super pianos at their price point.

joe

Would go and buy a cheap piano from your local reputable dealer they give you a year warranty also deliver and tune and if you have a problems they should sort it for you.Nothings for free and free pianos are usually free cos nobody else wants it.

joe

Tell landlady to have it moved as part of the tenants agreement or refuse to sign the lease.

joe

Basically its the piano you like best at the price you are willing to pay as you know i like Boston 132 and Kawai K6 regards other makes have played many Petrofs and Bechstein again they are pricey for the quality on offer aye would half the suggested RRP and look for a better deal.BRODMANN GIVE AWA...

joe

Would stick to the Kawai K15 or K2 and maybe try find an Essex 123 model to play, Bentley are OK but expensive and the U1 is used and probably had a hard life better sticking with a new piano from reputable makers shop and manufacturers warranties etc

joe

I don't think it is at all cheeky to about any piano's tuning history/piano tuner etc. If you were buying a car, you would want to see the service history etc. If the seller of a car couldn't/wouldn't provide a service history, you would walk away from the deal. Why shouldn't the same principle app...

joe

Robert, yes it was the Phoenix. I'm serious the agraffes were so badly made you could see the file marks in them (they were manufactured in the UK). They are based on a design developed by the Broadwood company years ago, and they didn't work then. Hurstwood invest serious money in R&D at the S...

joe

On the subject of Yamaha's, there has been a lot of work conducted by a couple of companies who have developed a hybrid Yamaha. They replace the wrest plank and restring with German wire and Barney Unwin bass strings. Then the action has the beam rails replaced and Renner shanks and hammers fitted....

joe

Bob, Was the model you saw at the Frankfurt music fair one of the Steingraeber models with the Phoenix system? Thanks, Robert I have seen them also,Hurstwood pianos are always changing brands they supply a while ago it was Bosendorfer now its something else Stuart & Sons etc you seem to be caug...

joe

You could also be very cheeky and ask the seller for the phone number of their piano tuner and ask for his opinion of the piano and find out if it has been regularly tuned and maintained. You are correct that would be very very cheeky!!!. If you want the piano checked over take an independent tuner...

joe

From my experience and we will deal with Yamaha primarily,action response excellent,tuning variable,tone like listening to broken glass hence the need for toning needles good small wire brush and some garnet paper.Regards to used imported Yamahas,soundboard moisture content not suitable for long ter...

joe

Yamaha buyers are looking for a bargain generally.

joe

Steinway Hall Marleybone Lane London have new and used pianos as well as Steinway,Boston and Essex superior range of new pianos,they often have trade-ins to.Dont settle for less go to the best.

joe

The "new" piano has a plastic (carbon fiber) action. Carbon soundboard covered in a very thin spruce veneer. I saw these at the Frankfurt Music Fair 2 years ago and thought they were dreadful. Its is very easy to be caught up in the enthusiasm of the sales force at Hurstwood Farm but talk...

joe

Would agree with mdw advice but as its a private sale my pitch would be £1500 if both in mint condition and get the most reputable local tuner to the pianos to check them over.You will have transport costs, tuning,and the check over fees to take in to account,its a buyers market.GOOD LUCK.

joe

It was like being let loose in 3 sweet shops. Thank you for your tips. As for my choice, I love my Bosendorfer upright best of all, and hope they will continue to be able to produce beautiful instruments with a little more security now - the posts about Yamaha/Bosendorfer were quite alarming but po...

joe

Boston 132 is a cracking piano and outshines other makes in or around this price range,in reference to Essex pianos they are decent at around the £5,500 mark and even though made in China are better value under Steinway supervision than other rebranded makes getting imported from China,did you enjoy...

joe

Am confused how many Hoffman companies are there? know a dealer who sell Hoffman but is not a Bechstein agent and another with W Hoffman which is made in Korea i think thru the Bechstein-Samick Alliance can someone clarify the position here?

joe

Sunday opening, am sure if you where to arrange a Sunday appointment beforehand most dealers would be able to arrange to be there.Sunday trading used to be on par with Saturday trading would never miss it,relaxed selling usually with the whole family present and and all the decision makers, would se...

joe

Dont knock them as you dont stock them and take off your low margin tinted used Yams specks and embrace the bigger picture of piano retail.

joe

Hoffman would be my choice,U3 next then Essex these pianos are all in different price ranges,pianos to compare would try Kawai K3,K5 and K6 and the Steinway designed Boston range of uprights,The Essex is not in the same price or quality bracket as the other 2 brands and the Hoffman seems pricey,Happ...

joe

Are the 3 pianos mentioned all new or used pianos? and whats the budget?

joe

OK guys but what about the Steingraeber & Söhne range of uprights??????? I think that their grands are better than S&S. Gone are the days where you could look at 8 model o's and 7 would be fantastic and one would be OK, now its 2 are fantastic and 6 are OK. If you are buying for the sound, ...

joe

Firstly the facts they have been around longer than Steinway,secondly they have only recently been back under family management,Steinway started as a family business and has become a global concern Sauter have been in and out of business over the same period of time.Thirdly are you the sole agent fo...

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