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by Bill Kibby
12 Nov 2016, 23:50
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Erard Upright Piano #40084
Replies: 5
Views: 3339

Re: Erard Upright Piano #40084

I would have thought it was nearer 1867 by the number, but the majority of pianos cannot be reliably dated just by numbers. What would help us is a photo showing what the WHOLE piano looks like on the outside, with nothing else in the way.
by Bill Kibby
11 Nov 2016, 21:10
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Van Gruisen, Liverpool
Replies: 9
Views: 4162

Re: Van Gruisen, Liverpool

Van Gruisen was still advertising the address 17 Bold Street in 1878, but there was some overlap with 27 Bold Street, so the piano above could easily be as late as 1878, and I would have guessed nearer 1886.
by Bill Kibby
08 Nov 2016, 10:22
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Robert Westphal Piano Age
Replies: 16
Views: 5162

Re: Robert & Westphal Piano Age

I answered your email yesterday on the same subject, the majority of pianos cannot be reliably dated by serial numbers, as explained at http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html If you could post photos here to show what the whole piano looks like, or email them to me to post, I may be able to tell ...
by Bill Kibby
06 Nov 2016, 22:57
Forum: Piano History
Topic: John Spencer Piano
Replies: 1
Views: 1442

Re: John Spencer Piano

The number suggests that your piano was made in 1903. No archives are available to trace the history of individual Spencer pianos, but there is useful general information about upright pianos at
http://www.pianohistory.info/edwardian.html
by Bill Kibby
05 Nov 2016, 14:28
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Henry Schwander, Paris
Replies: 2
Views: 1724

Re: Henry Schwander, Paris

1879~SchwanderDietrich322n.jpg This photo seems to suggest that Dietrich was successor to Henry Schwander, but it was probably the other way round, because the Dietrich piano seems to be 1870s, whereas some Henry Schwander pianos were made in the 1890s. Anoter little puzzle is that "Henry" doesn't ...
by Bill Kibby
05 Nov 2016, 00:34
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Henry Schwander, Paris
Replies: 2
Views: 1724

Re: Knowing my piano

The Schwander name was more famous for making piano actions - the working parts of the notes, and Henry is thought to be the only Schwander who put his name to pianos, although we don't know if he actually made them. Since there are very few around, most people have had no opportunity to judge what ...
by Bill Kibby
31 Oct 2016, 11:11
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Liszt's practice keyboard?
Replies: 4
Views: 2411

Re: Liszt's practice keyboard?

A.K.Virgil, New York, was only one of a number of makers of practice claviers.
by Bill Kibby
29 Oct 2016, 16:13
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Boyd Serial Numbers
Replies: 17
Views: 5963

Re: Boyd Serial Numbers

You are answering before I have finished compiling my response, so you should read the items above.
by Bill Kibby
29 Oct 2016, 15:58
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Boyd Serial Numbers
Replies: 17
Views: 5963

Re: Boyd Serial Numbers

I wouldn't ask wikipedia about piano history, even when I correct them, they don't keep the corrections.

Technically, although the term is generally used in a vague way, Minipianos are a specific make (Eavestaff) and type, and they don't necessarily have 6 octaves, it's just a 6-octave upright.
by Bill Kibby
29 Oct 2016, 15:46
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Boyd Serial Numbers
Replies: 17
Views: 5963

Re: Boyd Serial Numbers

1968~Boyd#10415_forum537u.jpg 6-octave pianos were commonplace when I started selling pianos in the sixties, although 85 notes (7 octaves) was the norm for British ones. Can anyone out there confirm who would have made a "Boyd" around 1968? Pianos sold as "Stiles" or "Steinberg" had similar numbers...
by Bill Kibby
29 Oct 2016, 15:34
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Boyd Serial Numbers
Replies: 17
Views: 5963

Re: Boyd Serial Numbers

You seem to have sent four links to the same set of photos.

What has John Thomas Hawkins got to do with your piano?

This is obviously a modern "Boyd" perhaps made by Kemble around 1968. The datemarks link is your best hope of finding a date inside.
by Bill Kibby
29 Oct 2016, 13:25
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Boyd Serial Numbers
Replies: 17
Views: 5963

Re: Boyd

I don't know what happened to the old page I was answering, but my comments above explain why I can't date your piano by that number. The majority of pianos cannot be reliably dated by their serial numbers, as explained at http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html You can use CTRL F to find Boyd ent...
by Bill Kibby
12 Oct 2016, 11:20
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Collard & Collard
Replies: 7
Views: 2697

Re: Collard & Collard

1853CollardCyclopaedia7a.jpg That style of grand action had been in use by Collards a long time then, here is one that I have illustrated in an 1853 book. 1907Collard2341a.jpg And this is one that I drew from the actual parts of a 1907 Collard which I used to tune for a friend. It has a separate ha...
by Bill Kibby
08 Oct 2016, 23:16
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Collard & Collard
Replies: 7
Views: 2697

Re: Collard & Collard

Seeing the whole piano makes things clearer, and I have to return to my original position, I can't see this as a 1904 piano, and my money is on it being 1887.
by Bill Kibby
08 Oct 2016, 11:40
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Collard & Collard
Replies: 7
Views: 2697

Re: Collard & Collard

I am sorry I ignored the number you mentioned with DR6 in it, because that would not be a serial number with letter in it, but I think you were probably referring to the same one I asked about, beginning with 16. I would read the number as 163975. If it is a 6-digit number, it would suggest a date a...
by Bill Kibby
06 Oct 2016, 20:51
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Collard & Collard
Replies: 7
Views: 2697

Re: Collard & Collard

Could you show us what the WHOLE piano looks like? Dating pianos purely by numbers is often tricky, and Collard & Collard are the trickiest, as explained at http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html Collard serial numbers are among the most confusing and difficult, especially the 5-digit ones. Many ...
by Bill Kibby
30 Sep 2016, 09:42
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Moutrie Pianos
Replies: 26
Views: 22197

Graham

Yes, I still have a long list of archives to visit, including Newcastle, where there were 2 firms, Graham & Adam, and Graham & Young.

Unfortunately, Graham is a common surname, there was John Graham and James Graham in Scotland, and various others around Britain.
by Bill Kibby
25 Sep 2016, 21:44
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Moutrie Pianos
Replies: 26
Views: 22197

Re: Moutrie Pianos

1892Graham132x.jpg
I do come across occasional references to Walter, like this 1892 one, but not the others, and no actual harmoniums so far! I would say thirty pounds to ninety is quite a common range, but like antique pianos, some sell for tuppence.
by Bill Kibby
21 Sep 2016, 11:32
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Vosemar Piano
Replies: 2
Views: 1636

Re: Vosemar Piano

There are a few of these around from the twenties, I used to wonder if they were connected with Vose, U.S.A., but they seem very English pianos. Vosemar doesn't seem to be a real maker, Beech was just a retailer. Some of the mysteries of piano names are discussed at http://www.pianohistory.info/name...
by Bill Kibby
20 Sep 2016, 00:22
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Bentley beginnings
Replies: 4
Views: 2632

Re: Bentley beginnings

Sorry, I obviously didn't make myself understood.

In 1930 The Stroud Piano Co. became known as Bentley.

Who made Bentley pianos in 1911?
by Bill Kibby
19 Sep 2016, 13:25
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Bentley beginnings
Replies: 4
Views: 2632

Bentley beginnings

I have been reading your page about Bentleys http://www.piano-tuners.org/history/bentley-pianos/ and wondered if anyone can help with a puzzle. You say that Stroud began using the Bentley name in 1930, but who was using it before? About halfway down my archives page http://www.pianohistory.info/arch...
by Bill Kibby
15 Sep 2016, 22:33
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Moutrie Pianos
Replies: 26
Views: 22197

Re: Moutrie Pianos

I thought the Singapore ones were sold as "Moudeli". It is very difficult getting rid of old pianos if they are not worth the cost of restoration. Years ago, I tried collecting piano parts to build up a stock, but they are so varied, there was no future in them, and they were scrapped. It might help...
by Bill Kibby
13 Sep 2016, 17:45
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Leukfeld & Holmyard Square Pianos
Replies: 7
Views: 4240

Re: Leukfeld & Holmyard Square Pianos

1811~Holmyard6leg68¬011q.jpg This example was on sale at Morley Galleries back in the seventies. Sadly, the London directories from 1786 onwards do not mention T.Holmyard, Foreman and successor to the late Mr Leukfeld, 7 Grefse-ftreet, but a Thomas Holmyard began to appear in 1841, and James Holmya...
by Bill Kibby
07 Sep 2016, 21:41
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Kemmler
Replies: 5
Views: 2389

Re: Kemmler

I have a unique and growing collection of directory lists, over a million UK entries, but when the firm is not listed, we can't really tell whether they weren't there, or whether they just didn't choose to be included in the various forms of directory. All I can say about Kemmler Benard is that they...
by Bill Kibby
06 Sep 2016, 17:19
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Schiedmayer & Son Grand
Replies: 5
Views: 2172

Re: Schiedmayer & Son Grand

Another thing that happens is that the iron frame is resprayed, and the number disappears. Is it just thoughtless, or are they trying to disguise how old it is? Often, you may find all or part of the serial number imprinted on removable wooden parts such as the music desk, or the keyblocks, or the s...
by Bill Kibby
06 Sep 2016, 14:00
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Schiedmayer & Son Grand
Replies: 5
Views: 2172

Re: Schiedmayer & Son Grand

You have been very thorough, and decided which if the ELEVEN Schiedmayer firms it is by, shame there is no number in sight. Firstly, it must be after 1888, as explained at http://www.pianohistory.info/exhibition.html 1890SchiedmayerHollingEllis129bz.jpg The fact that there is no reference to a 1900 ...
by Bill Kibby
02 Sep 2016, 17:59
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Kemmler
Replies: 5
Views: 2389

Re: Kemmler

1880 Not listed. 1886 Not listed in Kelly's Directory. 1891 Charles Kemmler & Co. had a London office at 61E Abbey road London N.W., and there is a shop still visible on Google Earth which may be it. 1892 Post Office London Directory liists Kemmler & Co., 61E Abbey road London N.W. 1894 Not listed i...
by Bill Kibby
02 Sep 2016, 17:35
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Kemmler
Replies: 5
Views: 2389

Re: Kemmler

Any chance of a photo? I have the impression that the Stuttgart ones are earlier, Osnabruck later. Although there a lots of Kemmler pianos on Google Images, very little is known or published about the company. I am still working on this, but judging by the following, #3307 might be the important one...
by Bill Kibby
23 Aug 2016, 18:44
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Dace piano by Hulbert
Replies: 15
Views: 6884

Re: James Dace London & Essex

See the recent post about Hulbert.
by Bill Kibby
23 Aug 2016, 15:00
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Age of Hulbert & Jones Piano
Replies: 1
Views: 1342

Re: Age of Hulbert & Jones Piano, Details to the company

James Hulbert seems to have been established around 1860, and later became Hulbert & Sons. Hulbert & Jones claimed to have been established in 1883, but not necessarily under the partnership name. and it may seem that they followed on from J.Hulbert, and then Hulbert & Sons around 1896, but the two ...
by Bill Kibby
17 Aug 2016, 23:32
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Erard 1864 Grand (Paris) #37668
Replies: 12
Views: 5111

Re: Erard Grand (Paris) c. 1865/6

Thanks for those details, which I presume you researched in the Erard archives. As far as the legs are concerned, these are indeed the same style of hexagonal legs used on thousands of London grand, square and cottage pianos of many different makes between the 1840s and 1880s. They were certainly us...
by Bill Kibby
16 Aug 2016, 11:27
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Liszt's practice keyboard?
Replies: 4
Views: 2411

Re: Liszt's practice keyboard?

This is a difficult one because most of the normal piano features I would look for don't exist on this item. Certainly it is a practice keyboard, and although it resembles ones made in the early 1900s, the mouldings on the keyfronts are more like 1840s style, or even earlier. My guess would be aroun...
by Bill Kibby
15 Aug 2016, 19:00
Forum: Piano History
Topic: My Grandmothers Brinsmead #53083
Replies: 20
Views: 5863

Re: My Grandmothers Brinsmead #53083

I think we have 4, 2 of each picture, possibly between 1902-5 or longer, although I am waiting for a response from the saleroom to see if they looked for a serial number last year.

I wonder if Ken Barry will get back to me about his? We might have another picture then.
by Bill Kibby
15 Aug 2016, 13:37
Forum: Piano History
Topic: My Grandmothers Brinsmead #53083
Replies: 20
Views: 5863

Re: My Grandmothers Brinsmead #53083

I suppose it's that personal view of. Proportions, it seems unlikely.
by Bill Kibby
14 Aug 2016, 10:10
Forum: Piano History
Topic: J.Brinsmead & Sons, Upright Iron Grand #40508
Replies: 6
Views: 2195

Re: J.Brinsmead & Sons, Upright Iron Grand #40508

Near the top of my Datemarks page, http://www.pianohistory.info/datemarks.html you can read abut "The Manufacturing Process" and the problems in placing a single date on an old piano, and there can easily be a delay of up to 6 or 7 years from its completion to its sale. Sadly, no original archives a...
by Bill Kibby
13 Aug 2016, 14:30
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Henry George Thomas
Replies: 4
Views: 1931

Re: Henry George Thomas

I think if there were any newspaper ads on the net, I would already know about them because of the research I did in Bristol, but you might get lucky if you find archives in Bristol. The Bristol Times doesn't seem to know him. Then again, Colindale has a very good newspaper archive, and there is ano...
by Bill Kibby
13 Aug 2016, 11:12
Forum: Piano History
Topic: My Grandmothers Brinsmead #53083
Replies: 20
Views: 5863

Re: My Grandmothers Brinsmead #53083

1903~Brinsmead221.jpg I think Vernon is the fount of this particular knowledge, and Newage did the graft to find the pictures on the net. Ken Barry wrote to me some time ago about a 1902 Brinsmead with the same Andromache painting, so they probably made quite a few of these. Unfortunately, this is ...
by Bill Kibby
12 Aug 2016, 13:56
Forum: Piano History
Topic: My Grandmothers Brinsmead #53083
Replies: 20
Views: 5863

Re: My Grandmothers Brinsmead #53083

Well done! We not only know that Brinsmeads were using pictures on the top doors, we have the actual picture. The internet is wonderful... sometimes.
by Bill Kibby
11 Aug 2016, 12:30
Forum: Piano History
Topic: J.Brinsmead & Sons, Upright Iron Grand #40508
Replies: 6
Views: 2195

Re: John Brinsmead and Sons, Upright Iron Grand No. 40508

Thanks for the photos. In a way, your answers are also answers for me. You applied the information on Brinsmeads' huge range of medals, as described at http://www.pianohistory.info/exhibition.html and this seems to favour it being before the 1895 exhibition. This would have been harder to read in 19...
by Bill Kibby
10 Aug 2016, 18:21
Forum: Piano History
Topic: My Grandmothers Brinsmead #53083
Replies: 20
Views: 5863

Re: My Grandmothers Brinsmead Piano

I am investigation some sort of hiccup (probably mine) about dating of Brinsmead numbers in this and the other Brinsmead post.
by Bill Kibby
10 Aug 2016, 17:20
Forum: Piano History
Topic: J.Brinsmead & Sons, Upright Iron Grand #40508
Replies: 6
Views: 2195

Re: John Brinsmead and Sons, Upright Iron Grand No. 40508

I would have put the number nearer 1904, the early published numbers are misleading, but I am trying to puzzle out some discrepancies, so it may be 1894. It is a typical Edwardian-style upright piano, as described at http://www.pianohistory.info/edwardian.html which also covers the subject of "Uprig...
by Bill Kibby
10 Aug 2016, 16:28
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Henry George Thomas
Replies: 4
Views: 1931

Re: Henry George Thomas

The RNCB at Hereford would have been the nearest place for Bristol, mentioned on the page for which I gave a link.
by Bill Kibby
10 Aug 2016, 13:36
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Henry George Thomas
Replies: 4
Views: 1931

Re: Henry George Thomas

It is very difficult to trace tuners in this way, unless they are listed in directories, or in business under their own name. He certainly didn't appear among the tuners listed in the Bristol directories 1870-1878. 1886ThomasNotListed268x.jpg 1886 - not listed. 1899HenryGeorgeThomas430x.jpg 1899 Kel...
by Bill Kibby
08 Aug 2016, 23:07
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Etherington / Skivington
Replies: 11
Views: 7859

Re: Etherington / Skivington

Most of them are covered the general information on my Edwardian page at pianohistory.info and there is still no evidence that Etheringtons ever made pianos, they were retailers.
by Bill Kibby
07 Aug 2016, 20:17
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Verner Lassen 1853-1883
Replies: 4
Views: 1815

Re: Verner Lassen 1853-1883

I was just hoping you had found some independent confirmation of the dates from an original source. It would be interesting to know if there are any numbers in your piano anyway.
by Bill Kibby
07 Aug 2016, 12:28
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Verner Lassen 1853-1883
Replies: 4
Views: 1815

Re: Verner Lassen 1853-1883

It is interesting to see another of his pianos, I show one of his grands at http://www.pianohistory.info/grand.html This is a square piano, although an unusual shape, and general information on them may be found at http://www.pianohistory.info/square.html I am sorry that because Lassen never publish...
by Bill Kibby
06 Aug 2016, 11:44
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Carl Ecke piano 1898
Replies: 7
Views: 2778

Re: Carl Ecke piano 1898

1896Ecke#14711uu.jpg There are instructions right at the top of the forum. Thanks for the photos. It certainly looks like an 1896 style to me. Compare the German uprights of the 1890s at http://www.pianohistory.info/edwardian.html 1896Ecke#14711#.jpg The first rule is to ignore anything handwritten...
by Bill Kibby
06 Aug 2016, 11:25
Forum: Piano History
Topic: My Grandmothers Brinsmead #53083
Replies: 20
Views: 5863

Re: My Grandmothers Brinsmead Piano

1904~Brinsmead#53083fret120.jpg The main part of the piano is quite normal for 1904-ish. My first (wrong) impression of the picture was that it was added afterwards. It would normally be an inlaid floral design, and perhaps a curved top to the middle panel, making it taller. The picture does not ma...
by Bill Kibby
05 Aug 2016, 21:20
Forum: Piano History
Topic: J.Claypole and Son
Replies: 5
Views: 2456

Re: J.Claypole and Son

It looks more like a twenties piano to me, can we see what the WHOLE piano looks like? The most important factor deciding the value of a piano is its condition, and the most important aspect of that is whether it holds in tune, because repinning and restringing will cost over a thousand pounds, and ...
by Bill Kibby
05 Aug 2016, 21:11
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Carl Ecke piano 1898
Replies: 7
Views: 2778

Re: Carl Ecke piano 1898

Sorry, I don't follow the last sentence, what image, where? 1895 should be the date of that number, according to the published information, but a year's error is not at all uncommon. In what way is the 1896 written. is it part of some text or pictures?