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by Bill Kibby
30 Dec 2016, 00:22
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Brooklyn Piano W. Teague
Replies: 7
Views: 5837

W. Teague

I take it this is nothing to do with Brooklyn? Nobody can tell you anything about an individual piano just from the name.. If you can post photos to show what the whole piano looks like, I may be able to tell you more. There is useful general information about upright pianos at http://www.pianohisto...
by Bill Kibby
30 Dec 2016, 00:17
Forum: Piano History
Topic: John Spencer & Co Upright Piano
Replies: 10
Views: 9463

Re: John Spencer & Co Upright Piano

That should be abut 1906, but we can't be sure without seeing what the whole piano looks like.
by Bill Kibby
29 Dec 2016, 09:21
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Brasted, London
Replies: 24
Views: 18544

Re: Brasted, London

There are no big piano factories at all in Britain now. 2011 "Dear Mr. Bill Kibby, Probably you may be aware of the fact that we have acquired both the above British piano companies and its only tangible assets which are its proprietary brand names such as Challen, Barratt & Robinson, Witton & Witto...
by Bill Kibby
21 Dec 2016, 16:34
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Charles Gorland
Replies: 6
Views: 3499

Re: L. Isermann Hamburg

I would guess this is a German piano made in the late 1890s, possibly connected with H.Gorland who was in Hamburg in 1928. I have no other details so far. Useful general information about upright pianos, including German ones of the 1890s, may be found at http://www.pianohistory.info/edwardian.html ...
by Bill Kibby
21 Dec 2016, 12:15
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Charles Gorland
Replies: 6
Views: 3499

Re: L. Isermann Hamburg

I have altered the spelling on your post, because correct spelling is sometimes important if you want to connect with other people about your subject. Isermann was not a piano maker, his factory made actions - the working parts of the notes. Is there another name on the piano? We may be able to tell...
by Bill Kibby
17 Dec 2016, 13:48
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Peculiar Bechstein dampers
Replies: 2
Views: 2230

Peculiar Bechstein dampers

1885~Bechstein343d (3).jpg David Boyce raised an interesting question about some very strange underdampers used on the monochords in the bottom octave of Bechstein uprights of the 1880s. Each damper head has what appears to be a spring attached, but there seems to be no purpose to it, and the coil ...
by Bill Kibby
06 Dec 2016, 10:29
Forum: Piano History
Topic: How to Tune a Piano?
Replies: 1
Views: 1771

Re: How to Tune a Piano?

The piano tuner studies longer than most tradesmen you will ask into your home, yet often gets paid less than most. To learn to tune a piano properly takes years of training.
by Bill Kibby
01 Dec 2016, 16:04
Forum: Piano History
Topic: R. Weissbrod
Replies: 9
Views: 7589

Robert Weissbrod

WEISSBROD (Robert) EISENBERG Some dates of serial numbers are available in Musician's Piano Atlas. 1884 Established. 1897 Weissbrod received Leipzig Staats Medaille. Circa 1897 #10833 "Good afternoon, I have a Weissbrod upright piano that was gifted to me and I am trying to find out more information...
by Bill Kibby
29 Nov 2016, 14:21
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Erard Upright Piano #40084
Replies: 5
Views: 3802

Re: Erard Upright Piano #40084

Thanks for that PhiPhi, it's always good to have original supporting evidence. Looking at your website, are you aware of any evidence that Erard was in business in London in 1786? He certainly doesn't appear in the directory for that year, and 1799 is the first entry I have found in London Directori...
by Bill Kibby
27 Nov 2016, 11:22
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Raymond & Co. London
Replies: 1
Views: 2146

Re: Raymond & Co. London

The majority of pianos cannot be reliably dated by their serial numbers, as explained at http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html It is not possible to tell anything about an individual piano just by the name, and sadly, this is a name transfer that could be bought for 10p in the seventies, and put...
by Bill Kibby
26 Nov 2016, 13:16
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Humphrey & Co Ltd., Piano Manufacturers
Replies: 2
Views: 2089

Re: Humphrey & Co Ltd., Piano Manufacturers

Do you have a photo that you could post here? Here are some directory listings from pianohistory.info... 1892 Not listed as piano makers in my Post Office London Directory. The Street Directory does not mention Leeds Place because it is too far out of London, so Tollington Park would have been in a ...
by Bill Kibby
23 Nov 2016, 09:35
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Reisbach by Rogers & Sons for Grotrian-Steinweg
Replies: 3
Views: 2864

Re: Rogers and Sons for Grotrian-Steinweg "Reisbach"

The majority of pianos cannot be reliably dated by their serial numbers, as explained at http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html That page includes some Rogers numbers near the bottom of the page, but they don't help. I'm not sure that Grotrian Steinweg were involved in any way other than retailin...
by Bill Kibby
22 Nov 2016, 11:20
Forum: Piano History
Topic: J. L. Duysen baby grand
Replies: 2
Views: 2015

Re: J. L. Duysen baby grand

The number suggests 1896, but the majority of pianos cannot be reliably dated by their serial numbers, as explained at http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html A baby grand would be up to five feet long, which seems very small for a Duysen of 1896. It would be nice to see photos to show what the WH...
by Bill Kibby
22 Nov 2016, 11:03
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Can you help identify age of Eavestaff 181524
Replies: 3
Views: 2572

Re: Can you help identify age of Eavestaff 181524

The majority of pianos cannot be reliably dated by their serial numbers, as explained at http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html but there are some dates of modern Eavestaff pianos near the bottom of that page, including 1961 - Eavestaff #180,000 & #180,500 1963 - Eavestaff #181,700 & #182,900 How...
by Bill Kibby
14 Nov 2016, 23:08
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Hepburn Brothers, Glasgow
Replies: 1
Views: 1881

Re: Hepburn Brothers, Glasgow

Two pedals is the normal arrangement. Nobody can tell you anything about the individual piano just from the name. Hepburn Brothers were well-known retailers of pianos in Glasgow for many years from the 1890s to the 1950s. It is unlikely that they actually made the pianos themselves. If you can post ...
by Bill Kibby
13 Nov 2016, 12:18
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Stinton & Westphal
Replies: 21
Views: 10005

Robert Westphal

I would imagine this was made around 1898. With a German piano, the best hope is that the action (the working parts of the notes) may be marked on the rear with the action makers’ name and number, and we may be able to date this. However, removing the action can be risky in an old piano, and you may...
by Bill Kibby
13 Nov 2016, 12:10
Forum: Piano History
Topic: PAPASIAN 1905
Replies: 0
Views: 2180

PAPASIAN 1905

1889~MittagPapasian1905a.jpg Here's a puzzle for you technicians and historians. An old Mittag upright is rubber-stamped on the damper rail with the name/word PAPASIAN and the date 15 Apr 1905. Since this appears to be a proper made-up rubber-stamp, I can only assume that it was a company, has anyb...
by Bill Kibby
12 Nov 2016, 23:50
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Erard Upright Piano #40084
Replies: 5
Views: 3802

Re: Erard Upright Piano #40084

I would have thought it was nearer 1867 by the number, but the majority of pianos cannot be reliably dated just by numbers. What would help us is a photo showing what the WHOLE piano looks like on the outside, with nothing else in the way.
by Bill Kibby
11 Nov 2016, 21:10
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Van Gruisen, Liverpool
Replies: 9
Views: 4796

Re: Van Gruisen, Liverpool

Van Gruisen was still advertising the address 17 Bold Street in 1878, but there was some overlap with 27 Bold Street, so the piano above could easily be as late as 1878, and I would have guessed nearer 1886.
by Bill Kibby
08 Nov 2016, 10:22
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Robert Westphal Piano Age
Replies: 16
Views: 6341

Re: Robert & Westphal Piano Age

I answered your email yesterday on the same subject, the majority of pianos cannot be reliably dated by serial numbers, as explained at http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html If you could post photos here to show what the whole piano looks like, or email them to me to post, I may be able to tell ...
by Bill Kibby
06 Nov 2016, 22:57
Forum: Piano History
Topic: John Spencer Piano
Replies: 1
Views: 1678

Re: John Spencer Piano

The number suggests that your piano was made in 1903. No archives are available to trace the history of individual Spencer pianos, but there is useful general information about upright pianos at
http://www.pianohistory.info/edwardian.html
by Bill Kibby
05 Nov 2016, 14:28
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Henry Schwander, Paris
Replies: 2
Views: 1987

Re: Henry Schwander, Paris

1879~SchwanderDietrich322n.jpg This photo seems to suggest that Dietrich was successor to Henry Schwander, but it was probably the other way round, because the Dietrich piano seems to be 1870s, whereas some Henry Schwander pianos were made in the 1890s. Anoter little puzzle is that "Henry" doesn't ...
by Bill Kibby
05 Nov 2016, 00:34
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Henry Schwander, Paris
Replies: 2
Views: 1987

Re: Knowing my piano

The Schwander name was more famous for making piano actions - the working parts of the notes, and Henry is thought to be the only Schwander who put his name to pianos, although we don't know if he actually made them. Since there are very few around, most people have had no opportunity to judge what ...
by Bill Kibby
31 Oct 2016, 11:11
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Liszt's practice keyboard?
Replies: 4
Views: 2798

Re: Liszt's practice keyboard?

A.K.Virgil, New York, was only one of a number of makers of practice claviers.
by Bill Kibby
29 Oct 2016, 16:13
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Boyd Serial Numbers
Replies: 17
Views: 7109

Re: Boyd Serial Numbers

You are answering before I have finished compiling my response, so you should read the items above.
by Bill Kibby
29 Oct 2016, 15:58
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Boyd Serial Numbers
Replies: 17
Views: 7109

Re: Boyd Serial Numbers

I wouldn't ask wikipedia about piano history, even when I correct them, they don't keep the corrections.

Technically, although the term is generally used in a vague way, Minipianos are a specific make (Eavestaff) and type, and they don't necessarily have 6 octaves, it's just a 6-octave upright.
by Bill Kibby
29 Oct 2016, 15:46
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Boyd Serial Numbers
Replies: 17
Views: 7109

Re: Boyd Serial Numbers

1968~Boyd#10415_forum537u.jpg 6-octave pianos were commonplace when I started selling pianos in the sixties, although 85 notes (7 octaves) was the norm for British ones. Can anyone out there confirm who would have made a "Boyd" around 1968? Pianos sold as "Stiles" or "Steinberg" had similar numbers...
by Bill Kibby
29 Oct 2016, 15:34
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Boyd Serial Numbers
Replies: 17
Views: 7109

Re: Boyd Serial Numbers

You seem to have sent four links to the same set of photos.

What has John Thomas Hawkins got to do with your piano?

This is obviously a modern "Boyd" perhaps made by Kemble around 1968. The datemarks link is your best hope of finding a date inside.
by Bill Kibby
29 Oct 2016, 13:25
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Boyd Serial Numbers
Replies: 17
Views: 7109

Re: Boyd

I don't know what happened to the old page I was answering, but my comments above explain why I can't date your piano by that number. The majority of pianos cannot be reliably dated by their serial numbers, as explained at http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html You can use CTRL F to find Boyd ent...
by Bill Kibby
12 Oct 2016, 11:20
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Collard & Collard
Replies: 7
Views: 3165

Re: Collard & Collard

1853CollardCyclopaedia7a.jpg That style of grand action had been in use by Collards a long time then, here is one that I have illustrated in an 1853 book. 1907Collard2341a.jpg And this is one that I drew from the actual parts of a 1907 Collard which I used to tune for a friend. It has a separate ha...
by Bill Kibby
08 Oct 2016, 23:16
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Collard & Collard
Replies: 7
Views: 3165

Re: Collard & Collard

Seeing the whole piano makes things clearer, and I have to return to my original position, I can't see this as a 1904 piano, and my money is on it being 1887.
by Bill Kibby
08 Oct 2016, 11:40
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Collard & Collard
Replies: 7
Views: 3165

Re: Collard & Collard

I am sorry I ignored the number you mentioned with DR6 in it, because that would not be a serial number with letter in it, but I think you were probably referring to the same one I asked about, beginning with 16. I would read the number as 163975. If it is a 6-digit number, it would suggest a date a...
by Bill Kibby
06 Oct 2016, 20:51
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Collard & Collard
Replies: 7
Views: 3165

Re: Collard & Collard

Could you show us what the WHOLE piano looks like? Dating pianos purely by numbers is often tricky, and Collard & Collard are the trickiest, as explained at http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html Collard serial numbers are among the most confusing and difficult, especially the 5-digit ones. Many ...
by Bill Kibby
30 Sep 2016, 09:42
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Moutrie Pianos
Replies: 26
Views: 23531

Graham

Yes, I still have a long list of archives to visit, including Newcastle, where there were 2 firms, Graham & Adam, and Graham & Young.

Unfortunately, Graham is a common surname, there was John Graham and James Graham in Scotland, and various others around Britain.
by Bill Kibby
25 Sep 2016, 21:44
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Moutrie Pianos
Replies: 26
Views: 23531

Re: Moutrie Pianos

1892Graham132x.jpg
I do come across occasional references to Walter, like this 1892 one, but not the others, and no actual harmoniums so far! I would say thirty pounds to ninety is quite a common range, but like antique pianos, some sell for tuppence.
by Bill Kibby
21 Sep 2016, 11:32
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Vosemar Piano
Replies: 2
Views: 1938

Re: Vosemar Piano

There are a few of these around from the twenties, I used to wonder if they were connected with Vose, U.S.A., but they seem very English pianos. Vosemar doesn't seem to be a real maker, Beech was just a retailer. Some of the mysteries of piano names are discussed at http://www.pianohistory.info/name...
by Bill Kibby
20 Sep 2016, 00:22
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Bentley beginnings
Replies: 4
Views: 2996

Re: Bentley beginnings

Sorry, I obviously didn't make myself understood.

In 1930 The Stroud Piano Co. became known as Bentley.

Who made Bentley pianos in 1911?
by Bill Kibby
19 Sep 2016, 13:25
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Bentley beginnings
Replies: 4
Views: 2996

Bentley beginnings

I have been reading your page about Bentleys http://www.piano-tuners.org/history/bentley-pianos/ and wondered if anyone can help with a puzzle. You say that Stroud began using the Bentley name in 1930, but who was using it before? About halfway down my archives page http://www.pianohistory.info/arch...
by Bill Kibby
15 Sep 2016, 22:33
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Moutrie Pianos
Replies: 26
Views: 23531

Re: Moutrie Pianos

I thought the Singapore ones were sold as "Moudeli". It is very difficult getting rid of old pianos if they are not worth the cost of restoration. Years ago, I tried collecting piano parts to build up a stock, but they are so varied, there was no future in them, and they were scrapped. It might help...
by Bill Kibby
13 Sep 2016, 17:45
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Leukfeld & Holmyard Square Pianos
Replies: 7
Views: 4390

Re: Leukfeld & Holmyard Square Pianos

1811~Holmyard6leg68¬011q.jpg This example was on sale at Morley Galleries back in the seventies. Sadly, the London directories from 1786 onwards do not mention T.Holmyard, Foreman and successor to the late Mr Leukfeld, 7 Grefse-ftreet, but a Thomas Holmyard began to appear in 1841, and James Holmya...
by Bill Kibby
07 Sep 2016, 21:41
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Kemmler
Replies: 5
Views: 2843

Re: Kemmler

I have a unique and growing collection of directory lists, over a million UK entries, but when the firm is not listed, we can't really tell whether they weren't there, or whether they just didn't choose to be included in the various forms of directory. All I can say about Kemmler Benard is that they...
by Bill Kibby
06 Sep 2016, 17:19
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Schiedmayer & Son Grand
Replies: 5
Views: 2518

Re: Schiedmayer & Son Grand

Another thing that happens is that the iron frame is resprayed, and the number disappears. Is it just thoughtless, or are they trying to disguise how old it is? Often, you may find all or part of the serial number imprinted on removable wooden parts such as the music desk, or the keyblocks, or the s...
by Bill Kibby
06 Sep 2016, 14:00
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Schiedmayer & Son Grand
Replies: 5
Views: 2518

Re: Schiedmayer & Son Grand

You have been very thorough, and decided which if the ELEVEN Schiedmayer firms it is by, shame there is no number in sight. Firstly, it must be after 1888, as explained at http://www.pianohistory.info/exhibition.html 1890SchiedmayerHollingEllis129bz.jpg The fact that there is no reference to a 1900 ...
by Bill Kibby
02 Sep 2016, 17:59
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Kemmler
Replies: 5
Views: 2843

Re: Kemmler

1880 Not listed. 1886 Not listed in Kelly's Directory. 1891 Charles Kemmler & Co. had a London office at 61E Abbey road London N.W., and there is a shop still visible on Google Earth which may be it. 1892 Post Office London Directory liists Kemmler & Co., 61E Abbey road London N.W. 1894 Not listed i...
by Bill Kibby
02 Sep 2016, 17:35
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Kemmler
Replies: 5
Views: 2843

Re: Kemmler

Any chance of a photo? I have the impression that the Stuttgart ones are earlier, Osnabruck later. Although there a lots of Kemmler pianos on Google Images, very little is known or published about the company. I am still working on this, but judging by the following, #3307 might be the important one...
by Bill Kibby
23 Aug 2016, 18:44
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Dace piano by Hulbert
Replies: 15
Views: 7633

Re: James Dace London & Essex

See the recent post about Hulbert.
by Bill Kibby
23 Aug 2016, 15:00
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Age of Hulbert & Jones Piano
Replies: 1
Views: 1592

Re: Age of Hulbert & Jones Piano, Details to the company

James Hulbert seems to have been established around 1860, and later became Hulbert & Sons. Hulbert & Jones claimed to have been established in 1883, but not necessarily under the partnership name. and it may seem that they followed on from J.Hulbert, and then Hulbert & Sons around 1896, but the two ...
by Bill Kibby
17 Aug 2016, 23:32
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Erard 1864 Grand (Paris) #37668
Replies: 12
Views: 5539

Re: Erard Grand (Paris) c. 1865/6

Thanks for those details, which I presume you researched in the Erard archives. As far as the legs are concerned, these are indeed the same style of hexagonal legs used on thousands of London grand, square and cottage pianos of many different makes between the 1840s and 1880s. They were certainly us...
by Bill Kibby
16 Aug 2016, 11:27
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Liszt's practice keyboard?
Replies: 4
Views: 2798

Re: Liszt's practice keyboard?

This is a difficult one because most of the normal piano features I would look for don't exist on this item. Certainly it is a practice keyboard, and although it resembles ones made in the early 1900s, the mouldings on the keyfronts are more like 1840s style, or even earlier. My guess would be aroun...
by Bill Kibby
15 Aug 2016, 19:00
Forum: Piano History
Topic: My Grandmothers Brinsmead #53083
Replies: 20
Views: 7335

Re: My Grandmothers Brinsmead #53083

I think we have 4, 2 of each picture, possibly between 1902-5 or longer, although I am waiting for a response from the saleroom to see if they looked for a serial number last year.

I wonder if Ken Barry will get back to me about his? We might have another picture then.