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by Bill Kibby
08 Jan 2017, 00:43
Forum: Piano History
Topic: J. Ramsperger & Co. Stuttgart
Replies: 7
Views: 3122

Re: J. Ramsperger & Co. Stuttgart

Yes, thanks for the photos, but that page also says that Edwardian pianos hadn't changed much since the 1890s, and the 1906 is the best and most reliable clue we have. Often, old pianos have no clues whatsoever. I have amended the wording to emphasise the fact that pianos didn't suddenly change beca...
by Bill Kibby
06 Jan 2017, 13:34
Forum: Piano History
Topic: J. Ramsperger & Co. Stuttgart
Replies: 7
Views: 3122

Re: J. Ramsperger & Co. Stuttgart

The majority of pianos cannot be reliably dated by numbers, and even if we could work out which number is the serial number, I don't think anyone has published dates for Ramsperger, but some of his pianos certainly seem to be later than 1903. It is not possible to tell you anything about an individu...
by Bill Kibby
06 Jan 2017, 13:10
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Charles Begg pianos
Replies: 5
Views: 3509

Re: Charles Begg pianos

I think the difference is that Begg made the piano in NZ, Rolfe"s was the first to arrive in NZ.
by Bill Kibby
06 Jan 2017, 13:07
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Kirkman, London Upright Piano age?
Replies: 8
Views: 6115

Re: Kirkman, London Upright Piano age?

They are the ones in Dunedin
by Bill Kibby
05 Jan 2017, 23:45
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Charles Begg pianos
Replies: 5
Views: 3509

Re: Charles Begg pianos

A William Rolfe square piano thought to have been made around 1820 is a much earlier claim to be the first piano in New Zealand,
by Bill Kibby
05 Jan 2017, 23:38
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Kirkman, London Upright Piano age?
Replies: 8
Views: 6115

Re: Kirkman, London Upright Piano age?

Charles Begg's stockbooks, 1914.
by Bill Kibby
05 Jan 2017, 11:10
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Nathaniel Berry Upright Piano advice?
Replies: 2
Views: 1698

Nathaniel Berry Upright Piano advice?

I used to work for Berrys, and the bakelite ashtrays seem to have been mainly used by them, I can't remember anyone else having them. It was a better arrangement than having people rest their fags on the keys and burn them, which was quite common. The most important factor deciding the value of an o...
by Bill Kibby
05 Jan 2017, 11:06
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Henry Zender & Co. London
Replies: 14
Views: 4678

Re: Henry Zender & Co. London

If you have a look about halfway down my Numbers page http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html there are some dates for Jacob, which suggest that the piano was made in 1908. The interior photo clearly shows very odd spacing that suggests there are one or two strings missing. When you get it home, I...
by Bill Kibby
02 Jan 2017, 02:14
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Henry Zender & Co. London
Replies: 14
Views: 4678

Re: Henry Zender & Co. London

Quite right Colin, and the missing strings are another clue to problems with loose pins. The extra movement leads to metal fatigue in the strings.
by Bill Kibby
02 Jan 2017, 00:02
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Henry Zender & Co. London
Replies: 14
Views: 4678

Re: Henry Zender & Co. London

Henry Zender seems to have started in business around 1893, and disappeared around 1930, probably taken over by Sydney Zender. These little 5-octave uprights were often described as "Student Pianofortes", I would guess this one might have been made around 1905. Key numbers are rarely useful, but the...
by Bill Kibby
30 Dec 2016, 23:33
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Brasted, London
Replies: 24
Views: 15452

Re: Brasted, London

I think I already answered that, but the pianos they produce are not original Brasted pianos anymore.
by Bill Kibby
30 Dec 2016, 23:30
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Brooklyn Piano W. Teague
Replies: 7
Views: 4467

Re: Brooklyn Piano W. Teague

The general page should have shown you that it is a typical Edwardian piano, and I would guess it was made around 1906. If you want to search inside the piano for clues, have a look at http://www.pianohistory.info/datemarks.html Teague was a retailer, and this piano was "manufactured for" him, but w...
by Bill Kibby
30 Dec 2016, 00:22
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Brooklyn Piano W. Teague
Replies: 7
Views: 4467

W. Teague

I take it this is nothing to do with Brooklyn? Nobody can tell you anything about an individual piano just from the name.. If you can post photos to show what the whole piano looks like, I may be able to tell you more. There is useful general information about upright pianos at http://www.pianohisto...
by Bill Kibby
30 Dec 2016, 00:17
Forum: Piano History
Topic: John Spencer & Co Upright Piano
Replies: 10
Views: 8383

Re: John Spencer & Co Upright Piano

That should be abut 1906, but we can't be sure without seeing what the whole piano looks like.
by Bill Kibby
29 Dec 2016, 09:21
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Brasted, London
Replies: 24
Views: 15452

Re: Brasted, London

There are no big piano factories at all in Britain now. 2011 "Dear Mr. Bill Kibby, Probably you may be aware of the fact that we have acquired both the above British piano companies and its only tangible assets which are its proprietary brand names such as Challen, Barratt & Robinson, Witton & Witto...
by Bill Kibby
21 Dec 2016, 16:34
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Charles Gorland
Replies: 6
Views: 2336

Re: L. Isermann Hamburg

I would guess this is a German piano made in the late 1890s, possibly connected with H.Gorland who was in Hamburg in 1928. I have no other details so far. Useful general information about upright pianos, including German ones of the 1890s, may be found at http://www.pianohistory.info/edwardian.html ...
by Bill Kibby
21 Dec 2016, 12:15
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Charles Gorland
Replies: 6
Views: 2336

Re: L. Isermann Hamburg

I have altered the spelling on your post, because correct spelling is sometimes important if you want to connect with other people about your subject. Isermann was not a piano maker, his factory made actions - the working parts of the notes. Is there another name on the piano? We may be able to tell...
by Bill Kibby
17 Dec 2016, 13:48
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Peculiar Bechstein dampers
Replies: 2
Views: 1666

Peculiar Bechstein dampers

1885~Bechstein343d (3).jpg David Boyce raised an interesting question about some very strange underdampers used on the monochords in the bottom octave of Bechstein uprights of the 1880s. Each damper head has what appears to be a spring attached, but there seems to be no purpose to it, and the coil ...
by Bill Kibby
06 Dec 2016, 10:29
Forum: Piano History
Topic: How to Tune a Piano?
Replies: 1
Views: 1406

Re: How to Tune a Piano?

The piano tuner studies longer than most tradesmen you will ask into your home, yet often gets paid less than most. To learn to tune a piano properly takes years of training.
by Bill Kibby
01 Dec 2016, 16:04
Forum: Piano History
Topic: R. Weissbrod
Replies: 9
Views: 6244

Robert Weissbrod

WEISSBROD (Robert) EISENBERG Some dates of serial numbers are available in Musician's Piano Atlas. 1884 Established. 1897 Weissbrod received Leipzig Staats Medaille. Circa 1897 #10833 "Good afternoon, I have a Weissbrod upright piano that was gifted to me and I am trying to find out more information...
by Bill Kibby
29 Nov 2016, 14:21
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Erard Upright Piano #40084
Replies: 5
Views: 2892

Re: Erard Upright Piano #40084

Thanks for that PhiPhi, it's always good to have original supporting evidence. Looking at your website, are you aware of any evidence that Erard was in business in London in 1786? He certainly doesn't appear in the directory for that year, and 1799 is the first entry I have found in London Directori...
by Bill Kibby
27 Nov 2016, 11:22
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Raymond & Co. London
Replies: 1
Views: 1651

Re: Raymond & Co. London

The majority of pianos cannot be reliably dated by their serial numbers, as explained at http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html It is not possible to tell anything about an individual piano just by the name, and sadly, this is a name transfer that could be bought for 10p in the seventies, and put...
by Bill Kibby
26 Nov 2016, 13:16
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Humphrey & Co Ltd., Piano Manufacturers
Replies: 2
Views: 1606

Re: Humphrey & Co Ltd., Piano Manufacturers

Do you have a photo that you could post here? Here are some directory listings from pianohistory.info... 1892 Not listed as piano makers in my Post Office London Directory. The Street Directory does not mention Leeds Place because it is too far out of London, so Tollington Park would have been in a ...
by Bill Kibby
23 Nov 2016, 09:35
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Reisbach by Rogers & Sons for Grotrian-Steinweg
Replies: 3
Views: 2177

Re: Rogers and Sons for Grotrian-Steinweg "Reisbach"

The majority of pianos cannot be reliably dated by their serial numbers, as explained at http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html That page includes some Rogers numbers near the bottom of the page, but they don't help. I'm not sure that Grotrian Steinweg were involved in any way other than retailin...
by Bill Kibby
22 Nov 2016, 11:20
Forum: Piano History
Topic: J. L. Duysen baby grand
Replies: 2
Views: 1655

Re: J. L. Duysen baby grand

The number suggests 1896, but the majority of pianos cannot be reliably dated by their serial numbers, as explained at http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html A baby grand would be up to five feet long, which seems very small for a Duysen of 1896. It would be nice to see photos to show what the WH...
by Bill Kibby
22 Nov 2016, 11:03
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Can you help identify age of Eavestaff 181524
Replies: 3
Views: 1927

Re: Can you help identify age of Eavestaff 181524

The majority of pianos cannot be reliably dated by their serial numbers, as explained at http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html but there are some dates of modern Eavestaff pianos near the bottom of that page, including 1961 - Eavestaff #180,000 & #180,500 1963 - Eavestaff #181,700 & #182,900 How...
by Bill Kibby
14 Nov 2016, 23:08
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Hepburn Brothers, Glasgow
Replies: 1
Views: 1375

Re: Hepburn Brothers, Glasgow

Two pedals is the normal arrangement. Nobody can tell you anything about the individual piano just from the name. Hepburn Brothers were well-known retailers of pianos in Glasgow for many years from the 1890s to the 1950s. It is unlikely that they actually made the pianos themselves. If you can post ...
by Bill Kibby
13 Nov 2016, 12:18
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Stinton & Westphal
Replies: 21
Views: 7506

Robert Westphal

I would imagine this was made around 1898. With a German piano, the best hope is that the action (the working parts of the notes) may be marked on the rear with the action makers’ name and number, and we may be able to date this. However, removing the action can be risky in an old piano, and you may...
by Bill Kibby
13 Nov 2016, 12:10
Forum: Piano History
Topic: PAPASIAN 1905
Replies: 0
Views: 1611

PAPASIAN 1905

1889~MittagPapasian1905a.jpg Here's a puzzle for you technicians and historians. An old Mittag upright is rubber-stamped on the damper rail with the name/word PAPASIAN and the date 15 Apr 1905. Since this appears to be a proper made-up rubber-stamp, I can only assume that it was a company, has anyb...
by Bill Kibby
12 Nov 2016, 23:50
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Erard Upright Piano #40084
Replies: 5
Views: 2892

Re: Erard Upright Piano #40084

I would have thought it was nearer 1867 by the number, but the majority of pianos cannot be reliably dated just by numbers. What would help us is a photo showing what the WHOLE piano looks like on the outside, with nothing else in the way.
by Bill Kibby
11 Nov 2016, 21:10
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Van Gruisen, Liverpool
Replies: 9
Views: 3764

Re: Van Gruisen, Liverpool

Van Gruisen was still advertising the address 17 Bold Street in 1878, but there was some overlap with 27 Bold Street, so the piano above could easily be as late as 1878, and I would have guessed nearer 1886.
by Bill Kibby
08 Nov 2016, 10:22
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Robert Westphal Piano Age
Replies: 16
Views: 4031

Re: Robert & Westphal Piano Age

I answered your email yesterday on the same subject, the majority of pianos cannot be reliably dated by serial numbers, as explained at http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html If you could post photos here to show what the whole piano looks like, or email them to me to post, I may be able to tell ...
by Bill Kibby
06 Nov 2016, 22:57
Forum: Piano History
Topic: John Spencer Piano
Replies: 1
Views: 1237

Re: John Spencer Piano

The number suggests that your piano was made in 1903. No archives are available to trace the history of individual Spencer pianos, but there is useful general information about upright pianos at
http://www.pianohistory.info/edwardian.html
by Bill Kibby
05 Nov 2016, 14:28
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Henry Schwander, Paris
Replies: 2
Views: 1506

Re: Henry Schwander, Paris

1879~SchwanderDietrich322n.jpg This photo seems to suggest that Dietrich was successor to Henry Schwander, but it was probably the other way round, because the Dietrich piano seems to be 1870s, whereas some Henry Schwander pianos were made in the 1890s. Anoter little puzzle is that "Henry" doesn't ...
by Bill Kibby
05 Nov 2016, 00:34
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Henry Schwander, Paris
Replies: 2
Views: 1506

Re: Knowing my piano

The Schwander name was more famous for making piano actions - the working parts of the notes, and Henry is thought to be the only Schwander who put his name to pianos, although we don't know if he actually made them. Since there are very few around, most people have had no opportunity to judge what ...
by Bill Kibby
31 Oct 2016, 11:11
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Liszt's practice keyboard?
Replies: 4
Views: 2053

Re: Liszt's practice keyboard?

A.K.Virgil, New York, was only one of a number of makers of practice claviers.
by Bill Kibby
29 Oct 2016, 16:13
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Boyd Serial Numbers
Replies: 17
Views: 4987

Re: Boyd Serial Numbers

You are answering before I have finished compiling my response, so you should read the items above.
by Bill Kibby
29 Oct 2016, 15:58
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Boyd Serial Numbers
Replies: 17
Views: 4987

Re: Boyd Serial Numbers

I wouldn't ask wikipedia about piano history, even when I correct them, they don't keep the corrections.

Technically, although the term is generally used in a vague way, Minipianos are a specific make (Eavestaff) and type, and they don't necessarily have 6 octaves, it's just a 6-octave upright.
by Bill Kibby
29 Oct 2016, 15:46
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Boyd Serial Numbers
Replies: 17
Views: 4987

Re: Boyd Serial Numbers

1968~Boyd#10415_forum537u.jpg 6-octave pianos were commonplace when I started selling pianos in the sixties, although 85 notes (7 octaves) was the norm for British ones. Can anyone out there confirm who would have made a "Boyd" around 1968? Pianos sold as "Stiles" or "Steinberg" had similar numbers...
by Bill Kibby
29 Oct 2016, 15:34
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Boyd Serial Numbers
Replies: 17
Views: 4987

Re: Boyd Serial Numbers

You seem to have sent four links to the same set of photos.

What has John Thomas Hawkins got to do with your piano?

This is obviously a modern "Boyd" perhaps made by Kemble around 1968. The datemarks link is your best hope of finding a date inside.
by Bill Kibby
29 Oct 2016, 13:25
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Boyd Serial Numbers
Replies: 17
Views: 4987

Re: Boyd

I don't know what happened to the old page I was answering, but my comments above explain why I can't date your piano by that number. The majority of pianos cannot be reliably dated by their serial numbers, as explained at http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html You can use CTRL F to find Boyd ent...
by Bill Kibby
12 Oct 2016, 11:20
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Collard & Collard
Replies: 7
Views: 2300

Re: Collard & Collard

1853CollardCyclopaedia7a.jpg That style of grand action had been in use by Collards a long time then, here is one that I have illustrated in an 1853 book. 1907Collard2341a.jpg And this is one that I drew from the actual parts of a 1907 Collard which I used to tune for a friend. It has a separate ha...
by Bill Kibby
08 Oct 2016, 23:16
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Collard & Collard
Replies: 7
Views: 2300

Re: Collard & Collard

Seeing the whole piano makes things clearer, and I have to return to my original position, I can't see this as a 1904 piano, and my money is on it being 1887.
by Bill Kibby
08 Oct 2016, 11:40
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Collard & Collard
Replies: 7
Views: 2300

Re: Collard & Collard

I am sorry I ignored the number you mentioned with DR6 in it, because that would not be a serial number with letter in it, but I think you were probably referring to the same one I asked about, beginning with 16. I would read the number as 163975. If it is a 6-digit number, it would suggest a date a...
by Bill Kibby
06 Oct 2016, 20:51
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Collard & Collard
Replies: 7
Views: 2300

Re: Collard & Collard

Could you show us what the WHOLE piano looks like? Dating pianos purely by numbers is often tricky, and Collard & Collard are the trickiest, as explained at http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html Collard serial numbers are among the most confusing and difficult, especially the 5-digit ones. Many ...
by Bill Kibby
30 Sep 2016, 09:42
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Moutrie Pianos
Replies: 26
Views: 21274

Graham

Yes, I still have a long list of archives to visit, including Newcastle, where there were 2 firms, Graham & Adam, and Graham & Young.

Unfortunately, Graham is a common surname, there was John Graham and James Graham in Scotland, and various others around Britain.
by Bill Kibby
25 Sep 2016, 21:44
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Moutrie Pianos
Replies: 26
Views: 21274

Re: Moutrie Pianos

1892Graham132x.jpg
I do come across occasional references to Walter, like this 1892 one, but not the others, and no actual harmoniums so far! I would say thirty pounds to ninety is quite a common range, but like antique pianos, some sell for tuppence.
by Bill Kibby
21 Sep 2016, 11:32
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Vosemar Piano
Replies: 2
Views: 1374

Re: Vosemar Piano

There are a few of these around from the twenties, I used to wonder if they were connected with Vose, U.S.A., but they seem very English pianos. Vosemar doesn't seem to be a real maker, Beech was just a retailer. Some of the mysteries of piano names are discussed at http://www.pianohistory.info/name...
by Bill Kibby
20 Sep 2016, 00:22
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Bentley beginnings
Replies: 4
Views: 2285

Re: Bentley beginnings

Sorry, I obviously didn't make myself understood.

In 1930 The Stroud Piano Co. became known as Bentley.

Who made Bentley pianos in 1911?
by Bill Kibby
19 Sep 2016, 13:25
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Bentley beginnings
Replies: 4
Views: 2285

Bentley beginnings

I have been reading your page about Bentleys http://www.piano-tuners.org/history/bentley-pianos/ and wondered if anyone can help with a puzzle. You say that Stroud began using the Bentley name in 1930, but who was using it before? About halfway down my archives page http://www.pianohistory.info/arch...