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by Bill Kibby
21 Jan 2019, 18:06
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Age of my piano
Replies: 2
Views: 25

Re: Age of my piano

RD could be a registered design number, or more likely, if it is R&D it was sold by Rushworth & Dreaper and this would be their stock number. None of which helps, but a photo showing what the whole piano looks like on the outside might help. Is there a name on the piano?
by Bill Kibby
21 Jan 2019, 17:58
Forum: Piano History
Topic: In which year piano was build?
Replies: 1
Views: 14

Spencer #14431

The number suggests that the piano was built in 1890.
by Bill Kibby
19 Jan 2019, 12:27
Forum: Piano History
Topic: STANLEY Brinsmead
Replies: 1
Views: 37

Re: STANLEY Brinsmead

Hearsay is a constant problem to any kind of historian: Someone who knew him and worked with him told me that Stanley's name was not Brinsmead originally, although there was a middle name Stanley in the family of the more famous Brinsmead piano makers. He made or produced pianos with just "Brinsmead...
by Bill Kibby
19 Jan 2019, 12:13
Forum: Piano History
Topic: I can't seem to find out how old this NUTTING piano is, any advice?
Replies: 3
Views: 242

NUTTING piano

I can't tell you what it is worth wherever you live, but here in the UK, I'm afraid the word "lucrative" doesn't come into it with these, the most common Victorian pianos, and they are rarely worth the cost of restoration, and although some people do it for the love, or to preserve history, sadly ma...
by Bill Kibby
18 Jan 2019, 14:54
Forum: Piano History
Topic: I can't seem to find out how old this NUTTING piano is, any advice?
Replies: 3
Views: 242

George Nutting

Thank you for having the common sense to show us what the WHOLE piano looks like! Yes, it was quite common for London piano firms to have frequent changes in partners, resulting in changes in the company name. To make it worse, the names often overlapped for years. NUTTING COMPANY NAMES In the early...
by Bill Kibby
17 Jan 2019, 12:38
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Date of Piano and best place to sell/give away
Replies: 1
Views: 109

Re: Date of Piano and best place to sell/give away

As always, it would be much better to photograph the WHOLE piano so we can see what it looks like, but the number suggests it was made in 1912. Old unrestored uprights from around the Edwardian period are so numerous, and many are queueing up to be scrapped, so they usually have very little value, a...
by Bill Kibby
16 Jan 2019, 22:58
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Dating a Chappell & Co piano
Replies: 5
Views: 202

Re: Dating a Chappell & Co piano

Thanks. On my Victorian page, I mention Pan Legs, and these were not common before 1860, but this is an early style of casework which might be 1850s. The page also refers to the dating of pianos on the bottom keys as early as the 1850s. At that time, it seems that Chappells mainly sold pianos in the...
by Bill Kibby
16 Jan 2019, 17:21
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Dating a Chappell & Co piano
Replies: 5
Views: 202

Re: Dating a Chappell & Co piano

If you have a look at the Chappell information on my Numbers page at pianohistory.info "Samuel Chappell was involved in the music business by 1810, but although they quote serial number dates from 1840, the company didn’t start making their own pianos until 1861. The main numbers for Chappell pianos...
by Bill Kibby
14 Jan 2019, 13:51
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Harper Piano Co Ltd
Replies: 1
Views: 34

Re: Harper Piano Co Ltd

Nobody anywhere can guess the value or condition of a piano without inspecting it on the spot.

Harper pianos were average commercial instruments, and if it is an Edwardian style, there are so many around the UK that unrestored ones have little or no value. I am offered several each year for nothing.
by Bill Kibby
10 Jan 2019, 16:14
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Erard london serial 9451
Replies: 15
Views: 1514

Re: Erard london serial 9451

Are you asking if it is straight strung? It is not vertical-strung but like many Erards, it is oblique-strung, the bass strings would make this clearer, sloping diagonally in order to get more length, to improve the tonal quality.
by Bill Kibby
09 Jan 2019, 18:59
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Carl Ecke Berlin Date estimations
Replies: 4
Views: 351

Re: Carl Ecke Berlin Date estimations

The medal shown there is from the Antwerp Exhibition of 1885, so your piano was made after that event. The action remains your most likely source of a date. The other photos didn't show up.
by Bill Kibby
06 Jan 2019, 21:02
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Carl Ecke Berlin Date estimations
Replies: 4
Views: 351

Re: Carl Ecke Berlin Date estimations

My Numbers page at pianohistory.info explains that dating pianos purely on the basis of numbers is often not as simple as it seems, especially as most pianos have several numbers inside. The number suggests about 1867, but there aren't many German pianos around from that early. I don't think there a...
by Bill Kibby
06 Jan 2019, 20:55
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Carl Ecke Berlin Date
Replies: 1
Views: 55

Re: Carl Ecke Berlin Date estimations

See other post
by Bill Kibby
02 Jan 2019, 18:10
Forum: Piano History
Topic: George Rogers & Son
Replies: 1
Views: 69

George Rogers & Son

What sort of piano is this? The Numbers page at pianohistory.info explains that dating pianos purely on the basis of numbers is often not as simple as it seems, and most pianos have several numbers inside. The name doesn't tell us anything about the individual piano, but it suggests a date after 187...
by Bill Kibby
15 Dec 2018, 22:05
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Piano oscar Köhler Berlin information
Replies: 4
Views: 571

Re: Piano oscar Köhler Berlin information

There is an awful lot of rubbish on the internet about a piano being one of only 3 or 4, but there are already about 3 of these on Google Images, and nobody has checked every house in the world. Some people think that the internet has all the answers, but I have many names on file that are not liste...
by Bill Kibby
15 Dec 2018, 18:10
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Kemble Baby Grand
Replies: 3
Views: 188

Re: Kemble Baby Grand

Your English is better than some English people's! These cabriole legs were very popular in the fifties, but it is almost impossible to date most grands of the 1900s by their appearance. You could try crawling underneath to look for a number, but check that there is absolutely no movement in the leg...
by Bill Kibby
13 Dec 2018, 22:32
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Piano oscar Köhler Berlin information
Replies: 4
Views: 571

Re: Piano oscar Köhler Berlin information

Oscar Kohler was a maker of piano actions, and as far as I am aware he did not have a piano factory, so it is a surprise seeing this example. I can only guess it might be from the twenties.
by Bill Kibby
13 Dec 2018, 22:28
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Leonard Leipzig, 85 key piano
Replies: 1
Views: 280

Re: Leonard Leipzig, 85 key piano

My Names page at pianohistory.info explains that many piano names are meaningless, and fake German names are common. 7 octaves (85 notes) is the most common range for antique pianos. Lots of them were still made when I was selling them in the sixties. What I would like to see is what the whole piano...
by Bill Kibby
13 Dec 2018, 22:25
Forum: Piano History
Topic: B. Squire & Son looks nice, have no information.
Replies: 3
Views: 539

Re: B. Squire & Son looks nice, have no information.

Plusnet having been doing me proud, but not actually fixing the internet for 3 weeks. I will examine the photos, but 1880s looks likely.
by Bill Kibby
11 Nov 2018, 14:52
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Walstein & Sohn Berlin piano
Replies: 1
Views: 283

Walstein & Sohn Berlin piano

I would guess it was made around 1901. Numbers are no help unless they have been published. There are a couple on Gumtree. The Names page on my own website http://www.pianohistory.info/names.html explains that many piano names are meaningless. It has an item about apparently German names that begin ...
by Bill Kibby
30 Oct 2018, 20:22
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Steck small grand
Replies: 5
Views: 563

Re: Steck small grand

I'm sorry if we were at cross-purposes, but the matter of numbers in pianos is not simple, as my Numbers page explains. With a Schwander action, we would hope for a 6-digit number, probably next to the Schwander name. Many actions and keys have other numbers that meant something someone at the time,...
by Bill Kibby
29 Oct 2018, 23:07
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Steck small grand
Replies: 5
Views: 563

Re: Steck small grand

We are not looking for other numbers, it is a matter of whether the published dates are correct, I can't answer that.
by Bill Kibby
24 Oct 2018, 10:32
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Pohlmann and Sons upright
Replies: 9
Views: 703

Re: Pohlmann and Sons upright

I had a look at my tuning records, and there was one very average Pohlmann made around 1898, originally £55. How can I form an opinion based on just one very old one I tuned in 1978? Do we even know if Pohlmann made them?
by Bill Kibby
23 Oct 2018, 21:21
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Steck small grand
Replies: 5
Views: 563

Re: Steck small grand

Does the Schwander action have a number? And is the name Herrburger Brooks mentioned on it? This would suggest a date after 1919. It is usually impossible to date grands of the 1900s by their appearance, because by about 1920, they were all so similar. To quote my Numbers page http://www.pianohistor...
by Bill Kibby
23 Oct 2018, 21:13
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Pohlmann and Sons upright
Replies: 9
Views: 703

Re: Pohlmann and Sons upright

I doubt if dates are available for their numbers, but I will check. Otherwise, I can only say they are not "common", I don't think I have ever tuned one since 1963.
by Bill Kibby
23 Oct 2018, 21:10
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Bansall & Sons Piano from Salkind, Norfolk
Replies: 7
Views: 4281

Re: Bansall & Sons Piano from Salkind, Norfolk

Perhaps James or Jaime will see your posting and get in touch.
by Bill Kibby
22 Oct 2018, 14:17
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Lichtenstein upright
Replies: 3
Views: 308

Re: Lichtenstein upright

I have never seen one so I can't help you with that.
by Bill Kibby
22 Oct 2018, 11:09
Forum: Piano History
Topic: John Spencer & Co., London
Replies: 42
Views: 26948

Re: John Spencer & Co., London

You are quite right, the number suggests that it was made around 1913. What other sort of information are you hoping for? My own website has general information at
http://www.pianohistory.info/edwardian.html
but no archives are available to tell us anything about individual Spencer pianos.
by Bill Kibby
21 Oct 2018, 11:49
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Lichtenstein upright
Replies: 3
Views: 308

Re: Lichtenstein upright

"Lichtenstein" pianos were made by Wolfframm, but I have no dates for their numbers. The questions you are asking are impossible to answer without being on the spot to inspect it, so your local tuner is the best person to ask.
by Bill Kibby
18 Oct 2018, 12:15
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Schwander Simplex in Bosendorfer
Replies: 3
Views: 403

Re: Schwander Simplex in Bosendorfer

The Schwander number confirms that it is about 1898, as you can see on my own website at http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html so it seems to be original. After what they did to his family in the 1914 war, Schwander refused to deal with Germans, but I don't know if that applied to Austria. I ten...
by Bill Kibby
18 Oct 2018, 12:04
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Erard london serial 9451
Replies: 15
Views: 1514

Re: Erard london splay leg serial 9451

These legs are known as "French Legs" or "Swan Legs". They are typical of the 1860s, as explained on my own website at http://www.pianohistory.info/victorian.html They are not really splayed! Look up the meaning of the word. The dates I published are based on definite dates imprinted inside London E...
by Bill Kibby
18 Oct 2018, 09:44
Forum: Piano History
Topic: History and Age - W F Cole and Sons
Replies: 1
Views: 180

Re: History and Age - W F Cole and Sons

I have previously dealt with this one by email, it appears to be a typical twenties upright, and I would guess it was made around 1924.
by Bill Kibby
16 Oct 2018, 19:03
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Erard london serial 9451
Replies: 15
Views: 1514

Re: Erard london serial 9451

I'm sorry I can't quite follow some of your sentences, and I have no idea what you mean by splay legs. These are "French Legs", also known as "Swan Legs". For Erard London numbers see http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html These suggest that the piano might be 1865, but the page explains that it ...
by Bill Kibby
14 Oct 2018, 00:07
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Kemble minx age
Replies: 6
Views: 2161

Re: Kemble minx age

Are you having trouble dating a Kemble Minx? I may be able to help.
by Bill Kibby
12 Oct 2018, 10:08
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Arthur Allison
Replies: 1
Views: 236

Arthur Allison

My Numbers page http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html explains that dating pianos purely on the basis of numbers is often not as simple as it seems. The page confirms that your number is probably just before 1883, but check in case there are other numbers inside. Most pianos have several. I coul...
by Bill Kibby
07 Oct 2018, 20:09
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Age Brooklyn Piano Co
Replies: 1
Views: 291

Re: Age Brooklyn Piano Co

RD is not a serial number, it stands for Registered Design. Even if you had a serial number it wouldn't help, because no information is published about their numbers. Green & Savage began making some pianos with the name Brooklyn in the late 1800s. In 1911, they were still listed as "Green & Savage,...
by Bill Kibby
30 Sep 2018, 22:42
Forum: Piano History
Topic: George Rogers
Replies: 1
Views: 301

Re: George Rogers

As it says at the top of this forum, nobody anywhere can guess the value or condition of a piano without inspecting it on the spot, and checking how well it holds in tune, so your local tuner is the best person to ask about that.

The number suggests that it was made in 1905.
by Bill Kibby
24 Sep 2018, 21:37
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Amadeus Piano circa 1980's
Replies: 4
Views: 675

Re: Amadeus Piano circa 1980's

Have you checked for dates on top of the hammer rail, or on or under the bottom few keys? Or perhaps even the top few keys.
by Bill Kibby
24 Sep 2018, 09:35
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Vincity Tây Mỗ Đại Mỗ liệu có phù hợp với mọi tầng lớp?
Replies: 0
Views: 391

Re: 1960 Steinway upright valuation

As it says at the top of this forum, nobody anywhere can guess the value or condition of a piano without inspecting it on the spot, and checking how well it holds in tune, so your local tuner is the best person to ask about that.
by Bill Kibby
21 Sep 2018, 19:48
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Amadeus Piano circa 1980's
Replies: 4
Views: 675

Re: Amadeus Piano circa 1980's

At the risk of offending piano makers, I have to say that most modern pianos are like modern cars, there is very little to distinguish this one from many others, especially in a photo. I spend a lot of my time with my head in the 1800s, so I am no help here! No doubt one of the modern retailers will...
by Bill Kibby
20 Sep 2018, 11:29
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Princess Piano
Replies: 0
Views: 487

Re: Princess Piano

As it says at the top of the forum, nobody anywhere can guess the value or condition of a piano without inspecting it on the spot, and checking how well it holds in tune, so your local tuner is the best person to ask about that. Here in Britain, where antique pianos are plentiful, unrestored ones ha...
by Bill Kibby
18 Sep 2018, 15:05
Forum: Piano History
Topic: My J&J Hopkinson London Piano
Replies: 7
Views: 5816

Re: My J&J Hopkinson London Piano

This has nothing to do with Hopkinson, you will get better results if you post it as a NEW TOPIC.

I explained when you emailed me 4 times that I do not understand your English, so I do not know what you want to know.

If you write to me in your own language, I will translate it.
by Bill Kibby
08 Sep 2018, 10:51
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Piano signed by Henry Wood
Replies: 6
Views: 2077

Re: Piano signed by Henry Wood

The certificate of authenticity was quite normal, my Names page at pianohistory.info mentions them, but I haven't come across the other part connecting it with Henry Wood. It almost seems to imply that he checked the piano himself, and then signed it. One imagines he may have had better things to do...
by Bill Kibby
31 Aug 2018, 12:27
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Dale Forty
Replies: 2
Views: 625

Re: Dale Forty

They certainly turned out some of these little Student Pianos around 1920, but I am not convinced they made them, some of their pianos were made by Challen, Cramer and others. I will see what I can find out. There is a slight possibility that it was the 22nd piano made in 1943. Imagine - Pierce didn...
by Bill Kibby
31 Aug 2018, 11:47
Forum: Piano History
Topic: How to find a serial number
Replies: 3
Views: 664

Re: How to find a serial number

Have a look at my Numbers page http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html which explains that serial numbers are usually 5 or 6 digits long, so 1157 is not it, although most pianos have several numbers inside, and we can't always say what they all mean, and it seems too big to be a model number. 1924...
by Bill Kibby
29 Aug 2018, 19:42
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Woodchester Grand piano?
Replies: 2
Views: 562

Re: Woodchester Grand piano?

Apart from the new uprights, I am not aware of a past piano firm named Woodchester, but Woodchester in Stroud was the home of the Stroud Piano Co., later known as Bentley, so I imagine the name was used by them.
by Bill Kibby
29 Aug 2018, 17:04
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Hime and Addison piano stool.
Replies: 4
Views: 832

Re: Hime and Addison piano stool.

I have no idea what happened to your first reply, but we didn't see it.

The easiest way is to email photos to me and I will post them for you.

Did you look at Google Images?
by Bill Kibby
25 Aug 2018, 19:14
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Hime and Addison piano stool.
Replies: 4
Views: 832

Re: Hime and Addison piano stool.

Normally, there is a knob on each side, and you simply turn them both together. I can't picture the device you describe, so photos might help.#

It's worth searching google images for adjustable piano stool.

Hime & Addison were dealers from the late 1800s onwards.
by Bill Kibby
22 Jul 2018, 20:12
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Ralph Allisons and Sons Limited London
Replies: 2
Views: 3284

Re: Ralph Allisons and Sons Limited London

It looks like something from the 1890s, and that number suggests that it may be from around 1897. Have a look at
http://www.pianohistory.info/edwardian.html
by Bill Kibby
22 Jul 2018, 20:05
Forum: Piano History
Topic: piano Erard
Replies: 1
Views: 289

Re: piano Erard

My Numbers page http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html explains that it often not as simple as it seems to date a piano purely on the basis of numbers, #62105 suggests that it may have been made around 1890, but are there any other numbers in there? Please tell us the exact, complete wording of t...