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by Bill Kibby
25 Jun 2019, 17:26
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Brasted 1837?
Replies: 2
Views: 51

Brasted #1837

If you open the top of the piano, you should easily see numbers in there, and a serial number would usually have 5 or 6 digits.
For example, # 44,100 is 1927.
by Bill Kibby
25 Jun 2019, 14:27
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Stroud 4 string treble
Replies: 11
Views: 325

Re: Stroud 4 string treble

Although Stroud is in Gloucestershire and Berlin is in Germany, the phrase "The Pianola Company" suggests the other side of the world, such as Australia! Is that where you are?
If 10690 was a Stroud serial number it would suggest 1920, but the piano looks more like 1902.
by Bill Kibby
24 Jun 2019, 23:24
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Stroud 4 string treble
Replies: 11
Views: 325

Re: Stroud 4 string treble

It certainly is. I am struggling to find one single reference to "The Pianola Company" being used in those words.
by Bill Kibby
24 Jun 2019, 22:09
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Stroud 4 string treble
Replies: 11
Views: 325

Re: Stroud 4 string treble

Just because you see a number inside a piano, that doesn't mean it is necessarily THE number, there will be several.
This is much older, looks like Edwardian. There are always experimental ideas which don't necessarily succeed. I can only guess that The Pianola Company sold the piano.
by Bill Kibby
24 Jun 2019, 16:44
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Stroud 4 string treble
Replies: 11
Views: 325

Re: Stroud 4 string treble

I can see how you ended up with several copies of the photo, I removed them. There is something wrong with the website that wouldn't accept my attachment, but it turned up afterwards! If you search this website for Bentley (made by Stroud) you will find this picture of "The Berlin" model.
by Bill Kibby
24 Jun 2019, 15:05
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Brasted 1837?
Replies: 2
Views: 51

Re: Brasted 1837?

Brasteds didn't publish dates of their numbers but I have some on file, they had reached 23,000 by 1915. None of the numbers I have are as low as 1,837 and they were not established until 1873. Dating a piano purely on the basis of numbers is often not as simple as it seems, and most pianos have mor...
by Bill Kibby
24 Jun 2019, 10:21
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Stroud 4 string treble
Replies: 11
Views: 325

Re: Stroud 4 string treble

I can't say I have heard of many uses of 4 strings per note, it was tried in Beethoven's time and not found to have any particular advantage. There is a acoustical and mathematical advantage in 3 rather than 2. The reference to "Stroud Berlin" is puzzling, the Stroud Piano Co. was in Stroud, and it ...
by Bill Kibby
21 Jun 2019, 18:04
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Samuel Brewer & Co piano
Replies: 2
Views: 126

Re: Samuel Brewer & Co piano

If you want to search inside the piano for clues, have a look at
http://www.pianohistory.info/datemarks.html
Otherwise, can you tell me the complete, exact wording on the piano?
by Bill Kibby
16 Jun 2019, 12:20
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Samuel Brewer & Co piano
Replies: 2
Views: 126

Re: Samuel Brewer & Co piano

The first thing I have to say is that there is no record of the company existing anything like as early as the 1830s. Their first entry in the London directory is 1870: Samuel Brewer & Co., 16, 17 & 18 Castle street, City road EC & 23 Bishopsgate street within EC. In 1875 they were Samuel Brewer & C...
by Bill Kibby
10 Jun 2019, 12:13
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Strohmenger London
Replies: 1
Views: 473

Re: Strohmenger London

Nobody anywhere can guess the value or condition of a piano without inspecting it on the spot, so your local tuner is the best person to ask. If you open the top, you should be able to see numbers, which may tell us the date. It looks like twenties. 1914 #13,400 Strohmenger & Sons piano has 3.4.14 w...
by Bill Kibby
07 Jun 2019, 09:22
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Spencer piano
Replies: 2
Views: 166

Re: New to me piano

If you have a look at the other Spencer enquiry I think that will answer your question. They normally have the model number and serial number, found quite easily by opening the top. They were established in 1883, and used about two thousand numbers per year, suggesting that #8571 is around 1887. Hav...
by Bill Kibby
07 Jun 2019, 09:21
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Spencer piano
Replies: 2
Views: 166

Re: New to me piano

If you have a look at the other Spencer enquiry I think that will answer your question. They normally have the model number and serial number, found quite easily by opening the top. They were established in 1883, and used about two thousand numbers per year, suggesting that #8571 is 1883. Have a loo...
by Bill Kibby
30 May 2019, 12:12
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Steinberg in Kenya
Replies: 1
Views: 460

Re: Steinberg in Kenya

It's difficult to make any useful comment about photos of grands of the 1900s, because they all tend to look very similar, so you will get more value from the assessment of your tuner on the spot. When it comes to the name, "Steinberg" has been used by so any different firms, including STEINBEG, BER...
by Bill Kibby
29 May 2019, 10:47
Forum: Piano History
Topic: George Rogers upright
Replies: 1
Views: 436

Re: George Rogers upright walnut inlaid piano

My Archives page http://www.pianohistory.info/archives.html explains that very few piano makers' archives have survived, and I am not aware of any for Rogers, so the kind of information you are hoping for is simply not available for most pianos. Dating a piano purely on the basis of numbers is often...
by Bill Kibby
25 May 2019, 15:07
Forum: Piano History
Topic: EAVESTAFF piano age
Replies: 1
Views: 180

Re: EAVESTAFF piano age

Eavestaff numbers can be one of the most baffling, as you can read at http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html #23180 could have been made in 1912 or 1956, but without photos, I can't guess whether either of those is likely. There is also some information about Eavestaff models about three-quarters...
by Bill Kibby
17 May 2019, 22:13
Forum: Piano History
Topic: John Spencer & Co.
Replies: 1
Views: 560

Re: Antique John Spencer & Co

When it comes to Spencer I think it is fair to say I have more of their pianos on file than anyone else, and it is very unusual to have any doubt about Spencer numbers, but this one is much earlier than the published information. Spencer & Co. established their factory at Goodinge Road in 1883, just...
by Bill Kibby
14 May 2019, 17:02
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Spark & Co., Worcester?
Replies: 3
Views: 4469

Re: Spark & Co Worcester - Can you shed any light ?

If you email me I may be able to help more.
I can't help wondering whether you are connected with the Little piano firm, or with Billy Little, one of my instructors at college?
by Bill Kibby
08 May 2019, 12:38
Forum: Piano History
Topic: B.Squire Hansons - Kemble
Replies: 4
Views: 426

Re: B.Squire Hansons - Kemble

Based on the fact that pianos have been around since about 1700, I have described 1939 as "modern"! Kembles have been around since 1911. 1929 may be the year when B Squire & Son became a Limited company, but soon after, they had a factory fire. Kemble may have taken over making them at this point, c...
by Bill Kibby
07 May 2019, 09:20
Forum: Piano History
Topic: B.Squire Hansons - Kemble
Replies: 4
Views: 426

Re: B.Squire Hansons - Kemble

The number preceded by K is almost certainly a 1939 Kemble number, and in modern times, Squire pianos were made by Kemble. I presume the number is on the soundboard, inside the piano, near to the left (bass) side. Hansons would have been the retailers. Albert Hanson was in Huddersfield, Alfred Hanso...
by Bill Kibby
30 Apr 2019, 13:35
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Gerhard Adam Wesel
Replies: 4
Views: 554

Re: Gerhard Adam Wesel

That number would suggest 1923, but my Numbers page
http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html
explains that dating pianos purely on the basis of numbers is often not as simple as it seems.
by Bill Kibby
29 Apr 2019, 11:09
Forum: Piano History
Topic: F. Steiner
Replies: 5
Views: 547

Re: F. Steiner

The serial number won't help unless someone has published dates for Steiner's numbers. If you want to search inside the piano for clues, have a look at
http://www.pianohistory.info/datemarks.html
by Bill Kibby
28 Apr 2019, 20:38
Forum: Piano History
Topic: F. Steiner
Replies: 5
Views: 547

Re: F. Steiner

There are plenty on Google Images, some are just "Steiner", or... B. Steiner Ed. Steiner Joseph Steiner I don't have any details of the company, but my Names page http://www.pianohistory.info/names.htm explains that many piano names are meaningless. It might be more useful to see what the WHOLE pian...
by Bill Kibby
25 Apr 2019, 11:01
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Gerhard Adam Wesel
Replies: 4
Views: 554

Re: Gerhard Adam Wesel

My Numbers page at pianohistory.info has dates for Langer action numbers which would put this around 1921, but Adam's serial numbers would put it at 1925, and this is more likely to be accurate.
by Bill Kibby
11 Apr 2019, 09:23
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Rud. Ibach Sohn
Replies: 1
Views: 368

Age of Rud Ibach Sohn

Any relation to historian Lucy? I don't know what "the keyboard comes out" means, or how it makes it louder. Whitfields were known as Whitfields Johnson until at least 1899, so the piano was sold by them in the 1900s, but you have not given me any information that would place it in sequence with the...
by Bill Kibby
07 Apr 2019, 09:46
Forum: Piano History
Topic: John Broadwood and Sons Upright Piano
Replies: 1
Views: 513

Re: John Broadwood and Sons Upright Piano

Dating pianos purely on the basis of numbers is often not as easy at it seems, but this one suggests 1911, and from the pictures, that seems possible, although I would have guessed nearer 1918. It was, of course, made in Broadwoods' London factory, but the only way you might learn more is by contact...
by Bill Kibby
24 Mar 2019, 15:57
Forum: Piano History
Topic: John Spencer & Co London Piano
Replies: 3
Views: 505

John Spencer London Piano

It has been modernised, the plain front and curved columns are not Edwardian. The number seems quite clear - 48722, which suggests 1907. Have a look at http://www.pianohistory.info/edwardian.html Unfortunately, Edwardian pianos are hard to sell at all in England, and fetch very little. Many are untu...
by Bill Kibby
20 Mar 2019, 11:26
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Muller-Schiedmayer upright hybrid
Replies: 1
Views: 333

Re: Muller-Schiedmayer upright hybrid

Are you able to post photos here to show us what the piano looks like? Or email to me to post?

It sounds like the 1950s trend towards making upright pianos resemble grands, but only in a very superficial way. Hybrid is perhaps too strong a word for those.
by Bill Kibby
28 Feb 2019, 20:13
Forum: Piano History
Topic: STURNE baby grand
Replies: 4
Views: 3391

Re: STURNE baby grand

This is one of many names that always seem to be used on modernised British pianos that have lost their original name transfers. The transfers were available for a few pence, and these meaningless names are a joke in the piano workshops. See
http://www.pianohistory.info/names.html
by Bill Kibby
28 Feb 2019, 20:06
Forum: Piano History
Topic: George Rogers & Son
Replies: 3
Views: 565

Re: George Rogers & Son

It looks like something from the late twenties, but I can't be precise. You should find a number approaching 40,000. Have a look at
http://www.pianohistory.info/datemarks.html
by Bill Kibby
27 Feb 2019, 18:30
Forum: Piano History
Topic: G. Schwechten Piano Forte
Replies: 1
Views: 331

Re: G. Schwechten Piano Forte

Could you send photos to show what the whole piano looks like? #19654 suggests 1881 but dating pianos purely on the basis of numbers is often not as simple as it seems. See
http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html
by Bill Kibby
24 Feb 2019, 00:48
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Steinberg Baby Grand
Replies: 1
Views: 319

Re: Steinberg Baby Grand

There were at least 4 different firms using the name Steinberg, with no definite reliable dates for serial numbers, even if you know which firm made it. See
http://www.pianohistory.info/names.html
for more information. For more information on numbers, see the Numbers page there.
by Bill Kibby
25 Jan 2019, 13:21
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Holling and Spangenberg
Replies: 1
Views: 528

Re: Holling and Spangenberg

When you are searching it is useful to be aware that some people "translate" the spelling rather than type accents, so Hoelling may be spelt Hohlling, or Holling as you have done. It is probably easier to search for Spangenberg. I am not aware of any published dates for their numbers. If your tuner ...
by Bill Kibby
23 Jan 2019, 19:11
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Steck Grand
Replies: 1
Views: 372

Re: Steck Grand

The number suggests 1902, but these pianos were made in three different countries using three different sets of numbers, and I have no information about German ones.
by Bill Kibby
23 Jan 2019, 13:10
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Wilhelm Spaethe
Replies: 1
Views: 373

Re: Wilhelm Spaethe

As far as I am aware, Spaethe is one of many makers whose numbers are not published. If your tuner thinks it is safe to remove the action (the working parts of the notes) it may be marked on the back with the action makers' name and number, and I may be able to date this. If you can post photos here...
by Bill Kibby
21 Jan 2019, 18:06
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Age of my piano
Replies: 2
Views: 486

Re: Age of my piano

RD could be a registered design number, or more likely, if it is R&D it was sold by Rushworth & Dreaper and this would be their stock number. None of which helps, but a photo showing what the whole piano looks like on the outside might help. Is there a name on the piano?
by Bill Kibby
21 Jan 2019, 17:58
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Spencer piano age
Replies: 1
Views: 442

Spencer #14431

The number suggests that the piano was built in 1890.
by Bill Kibby
19 Jan 2019, 12:27
Forum: Piano History
Topic: STANLEY Brinsmead
Replies: 1
Views: 383

Re: STANLEY Brinsmead

Hearsay is a constant problem to any kind of historian: Someone who knew him and worked with him told me that Stanley's name was not Brinsmead originally, although there was a middle name Stanley in the family of the more famous Brinsmead piano makers. He made or produced pianos with just "Brinsmead...
by Bill Kibby
19 Jan 2019, 12:13
Forum: Piano History
Topic: NUTTING piano age?
Replies: 3
Views: 752

NUTTING piano

I can't tell you what it is worth wherever you live, but here in the UK, I'm afraid the word "lucrative" doesn't come into it with these, the most common Victorian pianos, and they are rarely worth the cost of restoration, and although some people do it for the love, or to preserve history, sadly ma...
by Bill Kibby
18 Jan 2019, 14:54
Forum: Piano History
Topic: NUTTING piano age?
Replies: 3
Views: 752

George Nutting

Thank you for having the common sense to show us what the WHOLE piano looks like! Yes, it was quite common for London piano firms to have frequent changes in partners, resulting in changes in the company name. To make it worse, the names often overlapped for years. NUTTING COMPANY NAMES In the early...
by Bill Kibby
17 Jan 2019, 12:38
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Spencer piano to sell/give away
Replies: 1
Views: 416

Re: Date of Piano and best place to sell/give away

As always, it would be much better to photograph the WHOLE piano so we can see what it looks like, but the number suggests it was made in 1912. Old unrestored uprights from around the Edwardian period are so numerous, and many are queueing up to be scrapped, so they usually have very little value, a...
by Bill Kibby
16 Jan 2019, 22:58
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Dating a Chappell & Co piano
Replies: 5
Views: 774

Re: Dating a Chappell & Co piano

Thanks. On my Victorian page, I mention Pan Legs, and these were not common before 1860, but this is an early style of casework which might be 1850s. The page also refers to the dating of pianos on the bottom keys as early as the 1850s. At that time, it seems that Chappells mainly sold pianos in the...
by Bill Kibby
16 Jan 2019, 17:21
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Dating a Chappell & Co piano
Replies: 5
Views: 774

Re: Dating a Chappell & Co piano

If you have a look at the Chappell information on my Numbers page at pianohistory.info "Samuel Chappell was involved in the music business by 1810, but although they quote serial number dates from 1840, the company didn’t start making their own pianos until 1861. The main numbers for Chappell pianos...
by Bill Kibby
14 Jan 2019, 13:51
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Harper Piano Co Ltd
Replies: 1
Views: 290

Re: Harper Piano Co Ltd

Nobody anywhere can guess the value or condition of a piano without inspecting it on the spot.

Harper pianos were average commercial instruments, and if it is an Edwardian style, there are so many around the UK that unrestored ones have little or no value. I am offered several each year for nothing.
by Bill Kibby
10 Jan 2019, 16:14
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Erard london serial 9451
Replies: 15
Views: 2437

Re: Erard london serial 9451

Are you asking if it is straight strung? It is not vertical-strung but like many Erards, it is oblique-strung, the bass strings would make this clearer, sloping diagonally in order to get more length, to improve the tonal quality.
by Bill Kibby
09 Jan 2019, 18:59
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Carl Ecke Berlin Date estimations
Replies: 4
Views: 799

Re: Carl Ecke Berlin Date estimations

The medal shown there is from the Antwerp Exhibition of 1885, so your piano was made after that event. The action remains your most likely source of a date. The other photos didn't show up.
by Bill Kibby
06 Jan 2019, 21:02
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Carl Ecke Berlin Date estimations
Replies: 4
Views: 799

Re: Carl Ecke Berlin Date estimations

My Numbers page at pianohistory.info explains that dating pianos purely on the basis of numbers is often not as simple as it seems, especially as most pianos have several numbers inside. The number suggests about 1867, but there aren't many German pianos around from that early. I don't think there a...
by Bill Kibby
06 Jan 2019, 20:55
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Carl Ecke Berlin Date
Replies: 1
Views: 305

Re: Carl Ecke Berlin Date estimations

See other post
by Bill Kibby
02 Jan 2019, 18:10
Forum: Piano History
Topic: George Rogers & Son
Replies: 3
Views: 565

George Rogers & Son

What sort of piano is this? The Numbers page at pianohistory.info explains that dating pianos purely on the basis of numbers is often not as simple as it seems, and most pianos have several numbers inside. The name doesn't tell us anything about the individual piano, but it suggests a date after 187...
by Bill Kibby
15 Dec 2018, 22:05
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Piano oscar Köhler Berlin information
Replies: 4
Views: 929

Re: Piano oscar Köhler Berlin information

There is an awful lot of rubbish on the internet about a piano being one of only 3 or 4, but there are already about 3 of these on Google Images, and nobody has checked every house in the world. Some people think that the internet has all the answers, but I have many names on file that are not liste...
by Bill Kibby
15 Dec 2018, 18:10
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Kemble Baby Grand
Replies: 3
Views: 475

Re: Kemble Baby Grand

Your English is better than some English people's! These cabriole legs were very popular in the fifties, but it is almost impossible to date most grands of the 1900s by their appearance. You could try crawling underneath to look for a number, but check that there is absolutely no movement in the leg...