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by Bill Kibby
11 Sep 2019, 19:32
Forum: Piano History
Topic: George Rogers & Sons, London
Replies: 20
Views: 17279

Re: George Rogers & Sons, London

The number suggests 1886, so have a look at http://www.pianohistory.info/victorian.html However, most pianos have several numbers inside, so if that doesn't look right for your piano, read http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html or if you want to search for clues inside the piano read http://www.p...
by Bill Kibby
11 Sep 2019, 11:48
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Gerbuder Perzina Schwerin 1/M
Replies: 1
Views: 179

Gebruder Perzina Schwerin 1/M

Dating a piano purely on the basis of numbers is not always as simple as it seems, but 11165 suggests that it was made around 1906.
If you are doing searches, "Gebruder" means brothers, so it might be important to sell it correctly.
by Bill Kibby
05 Sep 2019, 10:21
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Spencer Baby Grand
Replies: 1
Views: 560

Re: Spencer Baby Grand

The number suggests that it was made in 1935, but I don't know how accurate that is, there are discrepancies in the published dates. Also, it has been suggested that another factory produced their grands, and this may affect the date, but it is probably 1935.
by Bill Kibby
03 Sep 2019, 10:40
Forum: Piano History
Topic: John Spencer & Co. Upright 46181
Replies: 3
Views: 236

Re: John Spencer & Co. Upright 46181

Spencer's output around the late 1800s and early 1900s was huge, and I have more listings for enquiries about his surviving pianos than any other make. The number suggests that it was made in 1906, so your guesstimate was good. D is just a model. Recent changes in software on this website have made ...
by Bill Kibby
23 Aug 2019, 10:54
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Used Kemble Upright Classic?
Replies: 21
Views: 1495

Re: Used Kemble Upright Classic?

The procedure for attaching images here is quite difficult, it is no good giving the name of the image. The piano might seem old to you, but I am surrounded by much older pianos, which are often amazing for their age. My Archives page http://www.pianohistory.info/archives.html explains the problems ...
by Bill Kibby
10 Aug 2019, 10:10
Forum: Piano History
Topic: George Rogers upright
Replies: 2
Views: 1047

Re: George Rogers upright

Yesterday, I tuned this piano, and although I could find no evidence to support it having been "fully restored" internally, it was polished and looking pretty on the outside. My instant impression was that the case might be a little too fancy to be Edwardian, so I was thinking 1890s, although it tur...
by Bill Kibby
08 Aug 2019, 10:18
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Dating a Collard & Collard
Replies: 1
Views: 311

Re: Dating a Collard & Collard

My Numbers page http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html explains that dating pianos purely on the basis of numbers is often not as simple as it seems. It also mentions Collard specifically as one of the worst makes to date, and about a third of the way down the page, there are various estimates of...
by Bill Kibby
30 Jul 2019, 20:53
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Hopkinson serial number
Replies: 1
Views: 411

Re: Can't find serial number

Is this an upright piano? Normally, you just open the top and one or more numbers should be visible somewhere. HMX7 sounds like a modern Zender or something, but I can't find any record of that marking. Are you able to attach a photo to show what the whole piano looks like? If you want to search ins...
by Bill Kibby
27 Jul 2019, 21:35
Forum: Piano History
Topic: R.Lipp & Sohn upright piano
Replies: 2
Views: 410

Re: How old is my R.Lipp & Sohn upright piano

My Numbers page http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html explains that dating pianos purely on the basis of numbers is often not as simple as it seems. There are usually several numbers inside a piano, and even if 3110 is the correct serial number, we cannot date it, because no Lipp numbers that lo...
by Bill Kibby
25 Jul 2019, 17:00
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Collard's Patent Escapement Action
Replies: 0
Views: 1035

Collard's Patent Escapement Action

Over the years, I have taken a great interest in the history of Collard & Collard pianos, but there are always new things to learn. When Barry Balcombe sent photos of his Collard cottage piano, it seemed at first glance to be a typical model from around the 1860s, with carved leg tops, and the numbe...
by Bill Kibby
20 Jul 2019, 13:25
Forum: Piano History
Topic: W.R. Yates piano
Replies: 8
Views: 5289

Re: W.R. Yates piano

Thanks for that, it is sad, but useful to know.
by Bill Kibby
19 Jul 2019, 10:26
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Scrine Piano's
Replies: 6
Views: 3154

Re: Scrine Piano's

Thanks, it is interesting to hear of another one, it prompts me to have another go at finding some record of the factory. Is there any chance they could email me photos of it? I don't suppose an overdamper with oblong pins will be anything strikingly original, but it would be interesting to see it.
by Bill Kibby
12 Jul 2019, 10:23
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Erard 1909 upright Piano
Replies: 5
Views: 712

Re: Erard 1909 upright Piano

Yes, I am sorry, it's not my website. The photos you sent confirm what you already said, that is the likely serial number, and suggests 1909. What sort of information are you hoping for? The retailer is shown as W.F.Cole & Sons, Sheffield. They appear on our Sheffield lists from soon after 1899, so ...
by Bill Kibby
11 Jul 2019, 16:58
Forum: Piano History
Topic: John Spencer & Co Piano
Replies: 1
Views: 444

Re: John Spencer & Co Piano

The number suggests that it was made in 1901, just before Spencers supplied a piano to the Princess of Wales. Spencer numbers are usually clear and simple to find inside the top, but dating pianos purely on the basis of numbers is not always as simple as it seems. Is there any chance you could attac...
by Bill Kibby
11 Jul 2019, 11:21
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Erard 1909 upright Piano
Replies: 5
Views: 712

Re: Erard 1909 upright Piano

I just received an email from a Katie, and I am suspicious of it. It has no subject, no text, so it looks like it might be trouble, and the attachments won't load, so I dumped it. Is it from you? If so, please send again with a subject heading and some text to explain what it is about, otherwise it ...
by Bill Kibby
10 Jul 2019, 21:36
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Erard 1909 upright Piano
Replies: 5
Views: 712

Re: Erard 1909 upright Piano

What sort of history are you hoping for? Nobody can trace the life history of an individual piano once it leaves the factory, but if the manufacturers' archives survive, they may be able to provide you with some original details. How do you know it is 1909? Is it a London Erard or Paris? Can you tel...
by Bill Kibby
09 Jul 2019, 19:12
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Strohmenger London
Replies: 3
Views: 1149

Re: Strohmenger London

I am sorry the software for attachments has become very troublesome, it's not my website.
We can't help with value, the number suggests 1932.
by Bill Kibby
08 Jul 2019, 17:59
Forum: Piano History
Topic: J Hulbert and sons London advice
Replies: 7
Views: 1215

Re: J Hulbert and sons London advice

I know that the software for attaching pictures has changed recently, but it is not my website, I am struggling with it myself. That is the serial number but it doesn't help with this maker, there are no dates available for their numbers. This is typical of the many Edwardian pianos (my guess is 190...
by Bill Kibby
05 Jul 2019, 22:25
Forum: Piano History
Topic: J Hulbert and sons London advice
Replies: 7
Views: 1215

Re: J Hulbert and sons London advice

I am in Lincolnshire, does that count as North East? James Hulbert was established in 1860, and by 1875 the firm was Hulbert & Sons. Later, there was also Hulbert & Jones. James retired around 1910, but we can't tell you anything about the individual piano just from the name. Are you able to post ph...
by Bill Kibby
03 Jul 2019, 17:40
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Guild Church and Co.
Replies: 4
Views: 4013

Re: Guild Church and Co.

See the corrections in the new posting on the Piano History forum.
by Bill Kibby
01 Jul 2019, 10:47
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Guild & Church Grand Piano
Replies: 1
Views: 553

Re: Guild & Church Grand Piano

There is an old posting on this website for the firm, but not entirely correct. The Pierce Piano Atlas lists serial number dates between 1865-1880, wrongly labelled "Guild-Church" & Co., Washington, Massachusetts, at least some of the numbers are wrong, for example #17232 was made after the 1880 pat...
by Bill Kibby
30 Jun 2019, 19:52
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Brooklyn piano from Teague & King
Replies: 1
Views: 638

Brooklyn

By 1900, the Post Office London Directory lists Green & Savage, Pianoforte Makers, North Road, London N and describes them as "Makers of the Brooklyn Piano". Previously they just used their own name. They were average commercial pianos, by now very old, and likely to suffer problems, especially loos...
by Bill Kibby
28 Jun 2019, 10:18
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Brewer piano from George C. Bedwell
Replies: 2
Views: 1835

Re: Brewer piano from George C. Bedwell

I have been approached by a descendant of the Bedwells, who would like to get in touch with you. My contact details should be displayed on the right.
by Bill Kibby
25 Jun 2019, 17:26
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Brasted 1837?
Replies: 2
Views: 658

Brasted #1837

If you open the top of the piano, you should easily see numbers in there, and a serial number would usually have 5 or 6 digits.
For example, # 44,100 is 1927.
by Bill Kibby
25 Jun 2019, 14:27
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Stroud 4 string treble
Replies: 11
Views: 1648

Re: Stroud 4 string treble

Although Stroud is in Gloucestershire and Berlin is in Germany, the phrase "The Pianola Company" suggests the other side of the world, such as Australia! Is that where you are?
If 10690 was a Stroud serial number it would suggest 1920, but the piano looks more like 1902.
by Bill Kibby
24 Jun 2019, 23:24
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Stroud 4 string treble
Replies: 11
Views: 1648

Re: Stroud 4 string treble

It certainly is. I am struggling to find one single reference to "The Pianola Company" being used in those words.
by Bill Kibby
24 Jun 2019, 22:09
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Stroud 4 string treble
Replies: 11
Views: 1648

Re: Stroud 4 string treble

Just because you see a number inside a piano, that doesn't mean it is necessarily THE number, there will be several.
This is much older, looks like Edwardian. There are always experimental ideas which don't necessarily succeed. I can only guess that The Pianola Company sold the piano.
by Bill Kibby
24 Jun 2019, 16:44
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Stroud 4 string treble
Replies: 11
Views: 1648

Re: Stroud 4 string treble

I can see how you ended up with several copies of the photo, I removed them. There is something wrong with the website that wouldn't accept my attachment, but it turned up afterwards! If you search this website for Bentley (made by Stroud) you will find this picture of "The Berlin" model.
by Bill Kibby
24 Jun 2019, 15:05
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Brasted 1837?
Replies: 2
Views: 658

Re: Brasted 1837?

Brasteds didn't publish dates of their numbers but I have some on file, they had reached 23,000 by 1915. None of the numbers I have are as low as 1,837 and they were not established until 1873. Dating a piano purely on the basis of numbers is often not as simple as it seems, and most pianos have mor...
by Bill Kibby
24 Jun 2019, 10:21
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Stroud 4 string treble
Replies: 11
Views: 1648

Re: Stroud 4 string treble

I can't say I have heard of many uses of 4 strings per note, it was tried in Beethoven's time and not found to have any particular advantage. There is a acoustical and mathematical advantage in 3 rather than 2. The reference to "Stroud Berlin" is puzzling, the Stroud Piano Co. was in Stroud, and it ...
by Bill Kibby
21 Jun 2019, 18:04
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Samuel Brewer & Co piano
Replies: 2
Views: 694

Re: Samuel Brewer & Co piano

If you want to search inside the piano for clues, have a look at
http://www.pianohistory.info/datemarks.html
Otherwise, can you tell me the complete, exact wording on the piano?
by Bill Kibby
16 Jun 2019, 12:20
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Samuel Brewer & Co piano
Replies: 2
Views: 694

Re: Samuel Brewer & Co piano

The first thing I have to say is that there is no record of the company existing anything like as early as the 1830s. Their first entry in the London directory is 1870: Samuel Brewer & Co., 16, 17 & 18 Castle street, City road EC & 23 Bishopsgate street within EC. In 1875 they were Samuel Brewer & C...
by Bill Kibby
10 Jun 2019, 12:13
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Strohmenger London
Replies: 3
Views: 1149

Re: Strohmenger London

Nobody anywhere can guess the value or condition of a piano without inspecting it on the spot, so your local tuner is the best person to ask. If you open the top, you should be able to see numbers, which may tell us the date. It looks like twenties. 1914 #13,400 Strohmenger & Sons piano has 3.4.14 w...
by Bill Kibby
07 Jun 2019, 09:22
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Spencer piano
Replies: 2
Views: 683

Re: New to me piano

If you have a look at the other Spencer enquiry I think that will answer your question. They normally have the model number and serial number, found quite easily by opening the top. They were established in 1883, and used about two thousand numbers per year, suggesting that #8571 is around 1887. Hav...
by Bill Kibby
07 Jun 2019, 09:21
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Spencer piano
Replies: 2
Views: 683

Re: New to me piano

If you have a look at the other Spencer enquiry I think that will answer your question. They normally have the model number and serial number, found quite easily by opening the top. They were established in 1883, and used about two thousand numbers per year, suggesting that #8571 is 1883. Have a loo...
by Bill Kibby
30 May 2019, 12:12
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Steinberg in Kenya
Replies: 1
Views: 950

Re: Steinberg in Kenya

It's difficult to make any useful comment about photos of grands of the 1900s, because they all tend to look very similar, so you will get more value from the assessment of your tuner on the spot. When it comes to the name, "Steinberg" has been used by so any different firms, including STEINBEG, BER...
by Bill Kibby
29 May 2019, 10:47
Forum: Piano History
Topic: George Rogers upright
Replies: 2
Views: 1047

Re: George Rogers upright walnut inlaid piano

My Archives page http://www.pianohistory.info/archives.html explains that very few piano makers' archives have survived, and I am not aware of any for Rogers, so the kind of information you are hoping for is simply not available for most pianos. Dating a piano purely on the basis of numbers is often...
by Bill Kibby
25 May 2019, 15:07
Forum: Piano History
Topic: EAVESTAFF piano age
Replies: 1
Views: 638

Re: EAVESTAFF piano age

Eavestaff numbers can be one of the most baffling, as you can read at http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html #23180 could have been made in 1912 or 1956, but without photos, I can't guess whether either of those is likely. There is also some information about Eavestaff models about three-quarters...
by Bill Kibby
17 May 2019, 22:13
Forum: Piano History
Topic: John Spencer & Co.
Replies: 1
Views: 1052

Re: Antique John Spencer & Co

When it comes to Spencer I think it is fair to say I have more of their pianos on file than anyone else, and it is very unusual to have any doubt about Spencer numbers, but this one is much earlier than the published information. Spencer & Co. established their factory at Goodinge Road in 1883, just...
by Bill Kibby
14 May 2019, 17:02
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Spark & Co., Worcester?
Replies: 3
Views: 5031

Re: Spark & Co Worcester - Can you shed any light ?

If you email me I may be able to help more.
I can't help wondering whether you are connected with the Little piano firm, or with Billy Little, one of my instructors at college?
by Bill Kibby
08 May 2019, 12:38
Forum: Piano History
Topic: B.Squire Hansons - Kemble
Replies: 4
Views: 1173

Re: B.Squire Hansons - Kemble

Based on the fact that pianos have been around since about 1700, I have described 1939 as "modern"! Kembles have been around since 1911. 1929 may be the year when B Squire & Son became a Limited company, but soon after, they had a factory fire. Kemble may have taken over making them at this point, c...
by Bill Kibby
07 May 2019, 09:20
Forum: Piano History
Topic: B.Squire Hansons - Kemble
Replies: 4
Views: 1173

Re: B.Squire Hansons - Kemble

The number preceded by K is almost certainly a 1939 Kemble number, and in modern times, Squire pianos were made by Kemble. I presume the number is on the soundboard, inside the piano, near to the left (bass) side. Hansons would have been the retailers. Albert Hanson was in Huddersfield, Alfred Hanso...
by Bill Kibby
30 Apr 2019, 13:35
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Gerhard Adam Wesel
Replies: 4
Views: 1301

Re: Gerhard Adam Wesel

That number would suggest 1923, but my Numbers page
http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html
explains that dating pianos purely on the basis of numbers is often not as simple as it seems.
by Bill Kibby
29 Apr 2019, 11:09
Forum: Piano History
Topic: F. Steiner
Replies: 5
Views: 1250

Re: F. Steiner

The serial number won't help unless someone has published dates for Steiner's numbers. If you want to search inside the piano for clues, have a look at
http://www.pianohistory.info/datemarks.html
by Bill Kibby
28 Apr 2019, 20:38
Forum: Piano History
Topic: F. Steiner
Replies: 5
Views: 1250

Re: F. Steiner

There are plenty on Google Images, some are just "Steiner", or... B. Steiner Ed. Steiner Joseph Steiner I don't have any details of the company, but my Names page http://www.pianohistory.info/names.htm explains that many piano names are meaningless. It might be more useful to see what the WHOLE pian...
by Bill Kibby
25 Apr 2019, 11:01
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Gerhard Adam Wesel
Replies: 4
Views: 1301

Re: Gerhard Adam Wesel

My Numbers page at pianohistory.info has dates for Langer action numbers which would put this around 1921, but Adam's serial numbers would put it at 1925, and this is more likely to be accurate.
by Bill Kibby
11 Apr 2019, 09:23
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Rud. Ibach Sohn
Replies: 1
Views: 826

Age of Rud Ibach Sohn

Any relation to historian Lucy? I don't know what "the keyboard comes out" means, or how it makes it louder. Whitfields were known as Whitfields Johnson until at least 1899, so the piano was sold by them in the 1900s, but you have not given me any information that would place it in sequence with the...
by Bill Kibby
07 Apr 2019, 09:46
Forum: Piano History
Topic: John Broadwood and Sons Upright Piano
Replies: 1
Views: 942

Re: John Broadwood and Sons Upright Piano

Dating pianos purely on the basis of numbers is often not as easy at it seems, but this one suggests 1911, and from the pictures, that seems possible, although I would have guessed nearer 1918. It was, of course, made in Broadwoods' London factory, but the only way you might learn more is by contact...
by Bill Kibby
24 Mar 2019, 15:57
Forum: Piano History
Topic: John Spencer & Co London Piano
Replies: 3
Views: 1081

John Spencer London Piano

It has been modernised, the plain front and curved columns are not Edwardian. The number seems quite clear - 48722, which suggests 1907. Have a look at http://www.pianohistory.info/edwardian.html Unfortunately, Edwardian pianos are hard to sell at all in England, and fetch very little. Many are untu...
by Bill Kibby
20 Mar 2019, 11:26
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Muller-Schiedmayer upright hybrid
Replies: 1
Views: 729

Re: Muller-Schiedmayer upright hybrid

Are you able to post photos here to show us what the piano looks like? Or email to me to post?

It sounds like the 1950s trend towards making upright pianos resemble grands, but only in a very superficial way. Hybrid is perhaps too strong a word for those.