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by Bill Kibby
31 Mar 2020, 09:24
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Help dating a Chappell Overstrung
Replies: 1
Views: 250

Re: Help dating a Chappell Overstrung

Can you show us what the WHOLE piano looks like? The number you show, preceded by the letter H, is not the serial number, it is probably a dealer's stock number. If for example, it was Harrods who sold it, it would have been shortly before 1920. Around this time, they used a paper label saying "Guar...
by Bill Kibby
30 Mar 2020, 12:49
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Sir Herbert Marshall Sons & Rose upright player piano
Replies: 1
Views: 661

Re: Sir Herbert Marshall Sons & Rose upright player piano

If you have a look at my Numbers page at pianohistory.info you can read that dating a piano purely on the basis of numbers is often not as simple as it seems. Most pianos have several numbers inside, but a 3-digit one is not big enough for a serial number. Often, if you just open the top and look in...
by Bill Kibby
30 Mar 2020, 12:45
Forum: Piano History
Topic: R. Weissbrod
Replies: 11
Views: 11510

Re: R. Weissbrod

The earliest number published is 130,000 for 1925, and we can only guess if this means yours was made around 1886.
by Bill Kibby
10 Mar 2020, 20:45
Forum: Piano History
Topic: A piano!
Replies: 4
Views: 823

Re: A piano!

Looks very similar to the Marshall in a post I just answered. Based on the thirties Minipiano design, probably after 1934.
by Bill Kibby
10 Mar 2020, 19:11
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Marshall overstrung piano
Replies: 1
Views: 698

Re: Marshall overstrung piano

I can find no record that any maker ever described an instrument as "Ship's piano", this seems to be an invention of the internet. A Yacht Piano is a small upright with fold-away keyboard. Yours is in the style of the 1930s Minipianos, but I am surprised to see the Marshall name on its own. There ma...
by Bill Kibby
10 Mar 2020, 19:03
Forum: Piano History
Topic: A piano!
Replies: 4
Views: 823

Karl Lange

My Names page
http://www.pianohistory.info/names.html
explains that "Karl Lange" is one of a number of fake names used on pianos sold by W.H.Barnes in London. "Minipiano" is a specific Eavestaff model, there is no general definition.
Is there any chance you could post photos here?
by Bill Kibby
10 Mar 2020, 18:55
Forum: Piano History
Topic: C. Scotcher and Son upright
Replies: 2
Views: 274

Re: C. Scotcher and Son upright

The photos would tell me more than the name. You can email them to me to post if it is easier. The "& Son" became plural in the 1890s, which suggests a Victorian piano, so have a look at
http://www.pianohistory.info/victorian.html
by Bill Kibby
27 Feb 2020, 12:33
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Johann Kuhse, Dresden
Replies: 22
Views: 11394

Re: Johann Kuhse, Dresden

You would have to get a tuner-technician to do these jobs, where in the world are you?
by Bill Kibby
22 Feb 2020, 22:55
Forum: Piano History
Topic: George Rogers
Replies: 2
Views: 551

Re: George Rogers

The serial number suggests that the piano was made during the first world war, perhaps 1916. Unrestored pianos of this age have very little value here in England, but nobody anywhere can guess the value or condition of a piano without inspecting it on the spot and checking how well it holds in tune,...
by Bill Kibby
15 Feb 2020, 00:01
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Bradley and Langbein of London
Replies: 1
Views: 761

Beadle and Langbein of London

The name is BEADLE & Langbein. Numbers do not help with this make, no dates are published, but 16,788 could be around the first world war. Can you post photos to show what the whole piano looks like? The partnership began around 1890, and the firm continued until 1931. Have a look at http://www.pian...
by Bill Kibby
01 Feb 2020, 00:49
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Heinrich Hochmann
Replies: 6
Views: 3539

Re: Heinrich Hochmann

It seems too much of a coincidence, but I can't imagine that it would have a brass nameplate if he just owned the piano, unless he had it made for just the one piano. Perhaps it was a joke?
It would explain why I can't find Hochmann as a piano maker.
by Bill Kibby
29 Jan 2020, 18:43
Forum: Piano History
Topic: I'm looking for GILL GREEN
Replies: 4
Views: 560

Re: I'm looking for GILL GREEN

If you search this forum for any of Gill's posts, there will be a contact button, but she may be listed as Gill the piano.
I have told her you are trying to contact her.
by Bill Kibby
22 Jan 2020, 11:27
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Upright Brinsmead piano
Replies: 3
Views: 1275

Re: Upright Brinsmead piano

It appears to be a typical Edwardian upright, but you still haven't told me which Brinsmead it is, or what other information is written on there. If it is John Brinsmead, the number would suggest something around 1887, but this seems wrong, so open the top and have a look inside, and there may be ot...
by Bill Kibby
20 Jan 2020, 11:40
Forum: Piano History
Topic: KING BROTHERS PIANO LTD, LONDON second hand piano
Replies: 2
Views: 648

Re: KING BROTHERS PIANO LTD, LONDON second hand piano

There are pictures online of a young Elton John playing a King Brothers piano, but very little is known about the company. The only references I have on file are between 1911 and 1949, at Tresham Avenue, Hackney Station. King is a very common surname, so it is not surprising that a number of piano a...
by Bill Kibby
19 Jan 2020, 11:11
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Upright Spencer piano
Replies: 2
Views: 736

Re: Upright Spencer piano

The number suggests that it was made in 1927, and this seems quite likely for its appearance.
by Bill Kibby
13 Jan 2020, 13:20
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Upright Brinsmead piano
Replies: 3
Views: 1275

Re: Upright Brinsmead piano

I could probably tell you more if we could see what the WHOLE piano looks like, but nobody can guess what needs doing to it, or whether it is worth doing, without inspecting it on the spot, so your local tuner is the person to ask. Is that the only number inside the top of the piano? And which Brins...
by Bill Kibby
08 Jan 2020, 13:04
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Piano history and value
Replies: 1
Views: 537

Re: Piano history and value

I contacted Crane & Sons many years ago, and they had no archive material which would allow them to look up individual pianos. Several trades people have told me that Cranes didn't make their own pianos. Some were made by Kennard or Lyon, but we don't know who made them all, unless there are clues i...
by Bill Kibby
06 Jan 2020, 18:54
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Johann Kuhse, Dresden
Replies: 22
Views: 11394

Re: Johann Kuhse, Dresden

It's not really about how old it is, it's what state it's in. Nobody anywhere can guess the value or condition of a piano without inspecting it on the spot, and checking how well it holds in tune, so your local tuner is the best person to ask.
by Bill Kibby
04 Jan 2020, 20:37
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Spencer piano
Replies: 5
Views: 776

Re: Spencer piano

You can email them to me and I will attempt to load them.
Either go to my website or click on the contact link.
by Bill Kibby
04 Jan 2020, 16:36
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Spencer piano
Replies: 5
Views: 776

Re: Spencer piano

Thanks, but there is no sign of attachments.
by Bill Kibby
04 Jan 2020, 15:09
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Spencer piano
Replies: 5
Views: 776

Re: Spencer piano

I have hundreds of surviving Spencer pianos on file, some of them can be found on this forum, but no original archives survive to tell us about the history of individual pianos. The number suggests that it was made in 1916. Is there any chance you could post photos here to show us what the WHOLE pia...
by Bill Kibby
02 Jan 2020, 21:57
Forum: Piano History
Topic: London and Liverpool Pianoforte Company
Replies: 1
Views: 529

London and Liverpool piano, repair and price?

Nobody anywhere can guess the value or condition of a piano without inspecting it on the spot. If it needs replacement parts, you will need to call in a technician. The London & Liverpool Piano Co. is no mystery, they were in Granby Street from at least 1899 to 1938. They were connected with Crane &...
by Bill Kibby
31 Dec 2019, 13:14
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Kessels upright Piano
Replies: 1
Views: 608

Re: Kessels upright Piano

Originally, Kessels was the largest musical instrument manufacturer in Holland. This a name which has more questions than answers, certainly as far as the pianos are concerned, and I have no details about pianos made by them in Holland, but later pianos marked "Kessels Ltd, London" are thought to ha...
by Bill Kibby
29 Dec 2019, 13:04
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Schneider 24?
Replies: 3
Views: 1329

Re: Schneider 24?

In a clavichord, metal pieces attached directly to the keys not only strike the strings, they set the length of string that sounds. Your instrument appears to be a square piano, so have a look at http://www.pianohistory.info/square.html Is the name carved, or imprinted with a metal stamp? This is a ...
by Bill Kibby
25 Dec 2019, 19:45
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Collard & Collard walnut grand piano
Replies: 1
Views: 546

Re: Collard & Collard walnut grand piano

If you have a look at http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html you can read that Collards are one of the most difficult to date by numbers, a great deal of nonsense is published about them, and my best guess is that it might be around 1872. The short number does not help, and the archives were lost...
by Bill Kibby
19 Dec 2019, 12:17
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Steinmeyer Berlin age
Replies: 1
Views: 554

Re: Steinmeyer Berlin age

The problem is in knowing WHICH Steinmayer or Steinmeyer made it, as explained at http://www.pianohistory.info/names.html It was sometimes used as a fake name on reconditioned pianos, especially modernised ones. Some Steinmeyers were sold in Leeds by Hopkinson Successors Ltd., but they appear to hav...
by Bill Kibby
17 Dec 2019, 22:00
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Farrand piano
Replies: 10
Views: 8248

Re: Farrand piano

I have no trace of a piano in this style being made in the war, but what often happens is that a secondhand piano is bought for a child, and they don't know how old it was, so they think it is new.
That's the only logic I can offer.
by Bill Kibby
14 Dec 2019, 12:19
Forum: Piano History
Topic: T.E Bevan and Co Calcutta
Replies: 17
Views: 3631

Re: T.E Bevan and Co Calcutta

You can email Bill at pianohistory.info or press the contact button next to this message and select email. I have just done a test, it works.
by Bill Kibby
13 Dec 2019, 15:20
Forum: Piano History
Topic: John Broadwood & Sons Cottage Upright info
Replies: 3
Views: 865

Re: John Broadwood & Sons Cottage Upright info

Yes, this is probably about 1877, but there should be a date written on the side of the key on the top note. Most pianos have several numbers inside. For more general information see http://www.pianohistory.info/victorian.html Does it have hexagonal legs? As usual, the most important photo would be ...
by Bill Kibby
13 Dec 2019, 15:11
Forum: Piano History
Topic: T.E Bevan and Co Calcutta
Replies: 17
Views: 3631

Re: T.E Bevan and Co Calcutta

By 1928, my "Musique Adresses Universel" lists T.E.Bevan & Co. as having branches in Calcutta, Darjeeling, Lahore, Mussoorie & Naini Tal.
It is quite possible that these towns may have more information on file in their libraries.
by Bill Kibby
11 Dec 2019, 11:04
Forum: Piano History
Topic: T.E Bevan and Co Calcutta
Replies: 17
Views: 3631

Re: T.E Bevan and Co Calcutta

You shouldn't growl at your computer, and some people believe that getting stressed actually makes the machine more likely to go wrong! I get emails every day, so I don't know what is wrong, perhaps your typing? We don't type email addresses on here, because it causes endless junk mail, but you can ...
by Bill Kibby
10 Dec 2019, 12:49
Forum: Piano History
Topic: T.E Bevan and Co Calcutta
Replies: 17
Views: 3631

Re: T.E Bevan and Co Calcutta

You can email them to me to post. You should be able to see an email button on your screen, or my website.
Absolutely fabulous!
The original enquiry was a long time ago, 2012, so I doubt if we will hear from them.
by Bill Kibby
10 Dec 2019, 12:08
Forum: Piano History
Topic: T.E Bevan and Co Calcutta
Replies: 17
Views: 3631

Re: T.E Bevan and Co Calcutta

Thanks for that, did you say you have photos of Mr Bevan? May we know your name?
by Bill Kibby
07 Dec 2019, 18:53
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Steinberg in Kenya
Replies: 5
Views: 3237

Re: Steinberg in Kenya

We don't know who made it, there are so many options including STEINBERG, BERLIN STEINBERG (Wilh.) Eisenberg STEINBERG by ROGERS STEINBERG, USA STEINBURG, Korea No reliable dates of serial numbers are available, so the best approach is to get your local tuner to search for clues inside it. If it is ...
by Bill Kibby
05 Dec 2019, 00:42
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Welmar Berlin
Replies: 3
Views: 813

Re: Welmar Berlin

I am puzzled! If you can't get the photos to show, they are not there. You could email them to me, and I will try.
Welmar is nothing to do with Berlin.
Have a look at
http://www.pianohistory.info/datemarks.html
by Bill Kibby
04 Dec 2019, 22:27
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Welmar Berlin
Replies: 3
Views: 813

WEIMAR

Welmar is a name used by piano manufacturers Whelpdale, Maxwell & Codd, London, who were also importers of Bluthner pianos. WEIMAR seems to be an alias used on pianos sold by Harrods, nothing to do with WeLmar, and their number would suggest that they sold it in 1925. I am surprised that Berlin is m...
by Bill Kibby
03 Dec 2019, 12:00
Forum: Piano History
Topic: George Rogers and sons
Replies: 3
Views: 916

Re: George Rogers and sons

Rogers was a good maker, but the modern ones like this were probably made by Kemble. Nobody can guess the value or condition of your piano without inspecting it on the spot.
by Bill Kibby
02 Dec 2019, 20:44
Forum: Piano History
Topic: George Rogers and sons
Replies: 3
Views: 916

Re: George Rogers and sons

The published lists of Rogers' numbers tend to end at 1964, but this number is just after 1973. There are some examples near the bottom of the page at
http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html
If you want to search inside the piano for clues, have a look at
http://www.pianohistory.info/datemarks.html
by Bill Kibby
02 Dec 2019, 20:36
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Everett Piano
Replies: 1
Views: 595

Re: Everett Piano

That number suggests that it was made in 1951, but most pianos have several numbers inside, so there may be others in there. You can usually just open the top and see the serial number, but it isn't always that simple.
by Bill Kibby
02 Dec 2019, 20:28
Forum: Piano History
Topic: John Hallerton and Son
Replies: 5
Views: 3642

Re: John Hallerton and Son

Tom, you obviously didn't connect me with the forum, but I think if anything new had come up, I would have told you in answer to your email. As I said, this is more like a twenties piano than 1900. I have no evidence of any piano firms called Hallerton in London. Around 1900, it was just John Haller...
by Bill Kibby
26 Nov 2019, 11:58
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Knauss Coblenz piano
Replies: 2
Views: 918

Re: Help dating a Knauss Coblenz piano please

The number marked C&S is not the maker's serial number, it indicates that the piano was sold by Crane & Sons, probably in the 1930s. It was evidently also sold at some time by Swan, Manchester, but he doesn't appear in my lists up to the twenties. He was at that address from the thirties to at least...
by Bill Kibby
19 Nov 2019, 11:24
Forum: Piano History
Topic: R.Gors & Kallmann Berlin Piano.
Replies: 1
Views: 1337

Re: seeking information on R Gors &Kellmann Berlin Piano.

Although search engines will try to help, it is important to check the spelling before you search. The name is Gors & Kallmann, they are famous German makers, and there is a tremendous amount of information spread around the internet in bits and pieces, but I don't know of a particular specialist si...
by Bill Kibby
01 Nov 2019, 10:28
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Collard and Collard Upright, circa 1860
Replies: 7
Views: 2746

Re: Collard and Collard Upright, circa 1860

I meant to ask what numbers are in there. In particular, is there a scruffy handwritten number of about 5 or 6 digits written above a larger, clearer imprinted model number? My Numbers page gives some clues to Collard number dates, and describes them as one of the most difficult, so it's always nice...
by Bill Kibby
30 Oct 2019, 23:55
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Collard and Collard Upright, circa 1860
Replies: 7
Views: 2746

Re: Collard and Collard Upright, circa 1860

If you can send me photos, I may be able to tell you more, or spot clues to date etc.. Does it have rounded sharps? I have no great amount of contact with restorers of antique pianos, they seem to live on a different planet to me, a fantasy world where people spend thousands of pounds moving these p...
by Bill Kibby
27 Oct 2019, 12:32
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Collard and Collard Upright, circa 1860
Replies: 7
Views: 2746

Re: Collard and Collard Upright, circa 1860

Is that a picture of your piano, or someone else's? I know they are not always worth the time & money, but at a time when some people are spending thousands of pounds moving antique pianos from one country to another, and spending a fortune restoring them, I am inundated with other people pleading w...
by Bill Kibby
23 Oct 2019, 10:23
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Spencer piano
Replies: 1
Views: 1573

Re: Spencer piano

The number suggests that your piano was made in 1893, and these Spencer numbers are usually quite clear and reliable, found by opening the top and looking inside. There is no archive material available too look up individual pianos, so I don't know anything apart from the date. Are you able to attac...
by Bill Kibby
20 Oct 2019, 10:17
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Differences in Steck Pianos
Replies: 1
Views: 1995

Re: Differences in Steck Pianos

The internal layout seems quite normal for an overstrung underdamper, which most of them are, and the main difference is the use of metal or wooden standards (supports) on the action. I would have expected the Steck name at the righthand end of the frame, and the option of the round Aeolian logo bet...
by Bill Kibby
11 Oct 2019, 11:57
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Justin Browne Factory in Euston Road
Replies: 6
Views: 2183

Re: Justin Browne Factory in Euston Road

James has done a tremendous amount of research on the address, and would very much like to hear from any descendants of Justin Browne, especially if they have any useful information or illustrations.
by Bill Kibby
10 Oct 2019, 16:06
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Erard London Grand #6543 (1860)
Replies: 7
Views: 2992

Re: Erard London Grand #6543 (1860)

Do these help? I still can't get control of the attachments with this new software. 1854? Erard London grand action #3,445 - I drew this from the actual parts some years ago, and although the principle is much the same as Tomlinson's diagram, the details and proportions are quite different, so his m...
by Bill Kibby
10 Oct 2019, 15:57
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Justin Browne Factory in Euston Road
Replies: 6
Views: 2183

Re: Justin Browne Factory in Euston Road

I'd love to see that, can you post a link, or email me?