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by Bill Kibby
22 Jan 2020, 11:27
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Upright Brinsmead piano
Replies: 3
Views: 631

Re: Upright Brinsmead piano

It appears to be a typical Edwardian upright, but you still haven't told me which Brinsmead it is, or what other information is written on there. If it is John Brinsmead, the number would suggest something around 1887, but this seems wrong, so open the top and have a look inside, and there may be ot...
by Bill Kibby
20 Jan 2020, 11:40
Forum: Piano History
Topic: KING BROTHERS PIANO LTD, LONDON second hand piano
Replies: 2
Views: 206

Re: KING BROTHERS PIANO LTD, LONDON second hand piano

There are pictures online of a young Elton John playing a King Brothers piano, but very little is known about the company. The only references I have on file are between 1911 and 1949, at Tresham Avenue, Hackney Station. King is a very common surname, so it is not surprising that a number of piano a...
by Bill Kibby
19 Jan 2020, 11:11
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Upright Spencer piano
Replies: 2
Views: 322

Re: Upright Spencer piano

The number suggests that it was made in 1927, and this seems quite likely for its appearance.
by Bill Kibby
13 Jan 2020, 13:20
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Upright Brinsmead piano
Replies: 3
Views: 631

Re: Upright Brinsmead piano

I could probably tell you more if we could see what the WHOLE piano looks like, but nobody can guess what needs doing to it, or whether it is worth doing, without inspecting it on the spot, so your local tuner is the person to ask. Is that the only number inside the top of the piano? And which Brins...
by Bill Kibby
08 Jan 2020, 13:04
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Piano history and value
Replies: 1
Views: 137

Re: Piano history and value

I contacted Crane & Sons many years ago, and they had no archive material which would allow them to look up individual pianos. Several trades people have told me that Cranes didn't make their own pianos. Some were made by Kennard or Lyon, but we don't know who made them all, unless there are clues i...
by Bill Kibby
06 Jan 2020, 18:54
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Johann Kuhse, Dresden
Replies: 20
Views: 10068

Re: Johann Kuhse, Dresden

It's not really about how old it is, it's what state it's in. Nobody anywhere can guess the value or condition of a piano without inspecting it on the spot, and checking how well it holds in tune, so your local tuner is the best person to ask.
by Bill Kibby
04 Jan 2020, 20:37
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Spencer piano
Replies: 5
Views: 235

Re: Spencer piano

You can email them to me and I will attempt to load them.
Either go to my website or click on the contact link.
by Bill Kibby
04 Jan 2020, 16:36
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Spencer piano
Replies: 5
Views: 235

Re: Spencer piano

Thanks, but there is no sign of attachments.
by Bill Kibby
04 Jan 2020, 15:09
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Spencer piano
Replies: 5
Views: 235

Re: Spencer piano

I have hundreds of surviving Spencer pianos on file, some of them can be found on this forum, but no original archives survive to tell us about the history of individual pianos. The number suggests that it was made in 1916. Is there any chance you could post photos here to show us what the WHOLE pia...
by Bill Kibby
02 Jan 2020, 21:57
Forum: Piano History
Topic: London and Liverpool Pianoforte Company
Replies: 1
Views: 165

London and Liverpool piano, repair and price?

Nobody anywhere can guess the value or condition of a piano without inspecting it on the spot. If it needs replacement parts, you will need to call in a technician. The London & Liverpool Piano Co. is no mystery, they were in Granby Street from at least 1899 to 1938. They were connected with Crane &...
by Bill Kibby
31 Dec 2019, 13:14
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Kessels upright Piano
Replies: 1
Views: 240

Re: Kessels upright Piano

Originally, Kessels was the largest musical instrument manufacturer in Holland. This a name which has more questions than answers, certainly as far as the pianos are concerned, and I have no details about pianos made by them in Holland, but later pianos marked "Kessels Ltd, London" are thought to ha...
by Bill Kibby
29 Dec 2019, 13:04
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Schneider 24?
Replies: 1
Views: 328

Re: Schneider 24?

In a clavichord, metal pieces attached directly to the keys not only strike the strings, they set the length of string that sounds. Your instrument appears to be a square piano, so have a look at http://www.pianohistory.info/square.html Is the name carved, or imprinted with a metal stamp? This is a ...
by Bill Kibby
25 Dec 2019, 19:45
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Collard & Collard walnut grand piano
Replies: 1
Views: 174

Re: Collard & Collard walnut grand piano

If you have a look at http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html you can read that Collards are one of the most difficult to date by numbers, a great deal of nonsense is published about them, and my best guess is that it might be around 1872. The short number does not help, and the archives were lost...
by Bill Kibby
19 Dec 2019, 12:17
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Steinmeyer Berlin age
Replies: 1
Views: 163

Re: Steinmeyer Berlin age

The problem is in knowing WHICH Steinmayer or Steinmeyer made it, as explained at http://www.pianohistory.info/names.html It was sometimes used as a fake name on reconditioned pianos, especially modernised ones. Some Steinmeyers were sold in Leeds by Hopkinson Successors Ltd., but they appear to hav...
by Bill Kibby
17 Dec 2019, 22:00
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Farrand piano
Replies: 10
Views: 7360

Re: Farrand piano

I have no trace of a piano in this style being made in the war, but what often happens is that a secondhand piano is bought for a child, and they don't know how old it was, so they think it is new.
That's the only logic I can offer.
by Bill Kibby
14 Dec 2019, 12:19
Forum: Piano History
Topic: T.E Bevan and Co Calcutta
Replies: 17
Views: 2556

Re: T.E Bevan and Co Calcutta

You can email Bill at pianohistory.info or press the contact button next to this message and select email. I have just done a test, it works.
by Bill Kibby
13 Dec 2019, 15:20
Forum: Piano History
Topic: John Broadwood & Sons Cottage Upright info
Replies: 3
Views: 401

Re: John Broadwood & Sons Cottage Upright info

Yes, this is probably about 1877, but there should be a date written on the side of the key on the top note. Most pianos have several numbers inside. For more general information see http://www.pianohistory.info/victorian.html Does it have hexagonal legs? As usual, the most important photo would be ...
by Bill Kibby
13 Dec 2019, 15:11
Forum: Piano History
Topic: T.E Bevan and Co Calcutta
Replies: 17
Views: 2556

Re: T.E Bevan and Co Calcutta

By 1928, my "Musique Adresses Universel" lists T.E.Bevan & Co. as having branches in Calcutta, Darjeeling, Lahore, Mussoorie & Naini Tal.
It is quite possible that these towns may have more information on file in their libraries.
by Bill Kibby
11 Dec 2019, 11:04
Forum: Piano History
Topic: T.E Bevan and Co Calcutta
Replies: 17
Views: 2556

Re: T.E Bevan and Co Calcutta

You shouldn't growl at your computer, and some people believe that getting stressed actually makes the machine more likely to go wrong! I get emails every day, so I don't know what is wrong, perhaps your typing? We don't type email addresses on here, because it causes endless junk mail, but you can ...
by Bill Kibby
10 Dec 2019, 12:49
Forum: Piano History
Topic: T.E Bevan and Co Calcutta
Replies: 17
Views: 2556

Re: T.E Bevan and Co Calcutta

You can email them to me to post. You should be able to see an email button on your screen, or my website.
Absolutely fabulous!
The original enquiry was a long time ago, 2012, so I doubt if we will hear from them.
by Bill Kibby
10 Dec 2019, 12:08
Forum: Piano History
Topic: T.E Bevan and Co Calcutta
Replies: 17
Views: 2556

Re: T.E Bevan and Co Calcutta

Thanks for that, did you say you have photos of Mr Bevan? May we know your name?
by Bill Kibby
07 Dec 2019, 18:53
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Steinberg in Kenya
Replies: 5
Views: 2612

Re: Steinberg in Kenya

We don't know who made it, there are so many options including STEINBERG, BERLIN STEINBERG (Wilh.) Eisenberg STEINBERG by ROGERS STEINBERG, USA STEINBURG, Korea No reliable dates of serial numbers are available, so the best approach is to get your local tuner to search for clues inside it. If it is ...
by Bill Kibby
05 Dec 2019, 00:42
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Welmar Berlin
Replies: 3
Views: 344

Re: Welmar Berlin

I am puzzled! If you can't get the photos to show, they are not there. You could email them to me, and I will try.
Welmar is nothing to do with Berlin.
Have a look at
http://www.pianohistory.info/datemarks.html
by Bill Kibby
04 Dec 2019, 22:27
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Welmar Berlin
Replies: 3
Views: 344

WEIMAR

Welmar is a name used by piano manufacturers Whelpdale, Maxwell & Codd, London, who were also importers of Bluthner pianos. WEIMAR seems to be an alias used on pianos sold by Harrods, nothing to do with WeLmar, and their number would suggest that they sold it in 1925. I am surprised that Berlin is m...
by Bill Kibby
03 Dec 2019, 12:00
Forum: Piano History
Topic: George Rogers and sons
Replies: 3
Views: 394

Re: George Rogers and sons

Rogers was a good maker, but the modern ones like this were probably made by Kemble. Nobody can guess the value or condition of your piano without inspecting it on the spot.
by Bill Kibby
02 Dec 2019, 20:44
Forum: Piano History
Topic: George Rogers and sons
Replies: 3
Views: 394

Re: George Rogers and sons

The published lists of Rogers' numbers tend to end at 1964, but this number is just after 1973. There are some examples near the bottom of the page at
http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html
If you want to search inside the piano for clues, have a look at
http://www.pianohistory.info/datemarks.html
by Bill Kibby
02 Dec 2019, 20:36
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Everett Piano
Replies: 1
Views: 220

Re: Everett Piano

That number suggests that it was made in 1951, but most pianos have several numbers inside, so there may be others in there. You can usually just open the top and see the serial number, but it isn't always that simple.
by Bill Kibby
02 Dec 2019, 20:28
Forum: Piano History
Topic: John Hallerton and Son
Replies: 5
Views: 3059

Re: John Hallerton and Son

Tom, you obviously didn't connect me with the forum, but I think if anything new had come up, I would have told you in answer to your email. As I said, this is more like a twenties piano than 1900. I have no evidence of any piano firms called Hallerton in London. Around 1900, it was just John Haller...
by Bill Kibby
26 Nov 2019, 11:58
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Knauss Coblenz piano
Replies: 2
Views: 431

Re: Help dating a Knauss Coblenz piano please

The number marked C&S is not the maker's serial number, it indicates that the piano was sold by Crane & Sons, probably in the 1930s. It was evidently also sold at some time by Swan, Manchester, but he doesn't appear in my lists up to the twenties. He was at that address from the thirties to at least...
by Bill Kibby
19 Nov 2019, 11:24
Forum: Piano History
Topic: R.Gors & Kallmann Berlin Piano.
Replies: 1
Views: 961

Re: seeking information on R Gors &Kellmann Berlin Piano.

Although search engines will try to help, it is important to check the spelling before you search. The name is Gors & Kallmann, they are famous German makers, and there is a tremendous amount of information spread around the internet in bits and pieces, but I don't know of a particular specialist si...
by Bill Kibby
01 Nov 2019, 10:28
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Collard and Collard Upright, circa 1860
Replies: 7
Views: 1984

Re: Collard and Collard Upright, circa 1860

I meant to ask what numbers are in there. In particular, is there a scruffy handwritten number of about 5 or 6 digits written above a larger, clearer imprinted model number? My Numbers page gives some clues to Collard number dates, and describes them as one of the most difficult, so it's always nice...
by Bill Kibby
30 Oct 2019, 23:55
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Collard and Collard Upright, circa 1860
Replies: 7
Views: 1984

Re: Collard and Collard Upright, circa 1860

If you can send me photos, I may be able to tell you more, or spot clues to date etc.. Does it have rounded sharps? I have no great amount of contact with restorers of antique pianos, they seem to live on a different planet to me, a fantasy world where people spend thousands of pounds moving these p...
by Bill Kibby
27 Oct 2019, 12:32
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Collard and Collard Upright, circa 1860
Replies: 7
Views: 1984

Re: Collard and Collard Upright, circa 1860

Is that a picture of your piano, or someone else's? I know they are not always worth the time & money, but at a time when some people are spending thousands of pounds moving antique pianos from one country to another, and spending a fortune restoring them, I am inundated with other people pleading w...
by Bill Kibby
23 Oct 2019, 10:23
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Spencer piano
Replies: 1
Views: 1158

Re: Spencer piano

The number suggests that your piano was made in 1893, and these Spencer numbers are usually quite clear and reliable, found by opening the top and looking inside. There is no archive material available too look up individual pianos, so I don't know anything apart from the date. Are you able to attac...
by Bill Kibby
20 Oct 2019, 10:17
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Differences in Steck Pianos
Replies: 1
Views: 1583

Re: Differences in Steck Pianos

The internal layout seems quite normal for an overstrung underdamper, which most of them are, and the main difference is the use of metal or wooden standards (supports) on the action. I would have expected the Steck name at the righthand end of the frame, and the option of the round Aeolian logo bet...
by Bill Kibby
11 Oct 2019, 11:57
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Justin Browne Factory in Euston Road
Replies: 6
Views: 1633

Re: Justin Browne Factory in Euston Road

James has done a tremendous amount of research on the address, and would very much like to hear from any descendants of Justin Browne, especially if they have any useful information or illustrations.
by Bill Kibby
10 Oct 2019, 16:06
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Erard London Grand #6543 (1860)
Replies: 7
Views: 2270

Re: Erard London Grand #6543 (1860)

Do these help? I still can't get control of the attachments with this new software. 1854? Erard London grand action #3,445 - I drew this from the actual parts some years ago, and although the principle is much the same as Tomlinson's diagram, the details and proportions are quite different, so his m...
by Bill Kibby
10 Oct 2019, 15:57
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Justin Browne Factory in Euston Road
Replies: 6
Views: 1633

Re: Justin Browne Factory in Euston Road

I'd love to see that, can you post a link, or email me?
by Bill Kibby
09 Oct 2019, 11:39
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Erard London Grand #6543 (1860)
Replies: 7
Views: 2270

Re: Erard London Grand #6543 (1860)

I think the arithmetic went wrong somewhere. 60 minus 19 is 41.
by Bill Kibby
09 Oct 2019, 11:09
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Erard London Grand #6543 (1860)
Replies: 7
Views: 2270

Re: Erard London Grand #6543 (1860)

The number date corresponds to the information on my Numbers page, but I have no record of this piano's past owners. Are you based in Morpeth or Houston? I am amazed that, in a time when people are pleading with me to rescue antique pianos from destruction, and I can't even justify the transport cos...
by Bill Kibby
08 Oct 2019, 19:14
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Justin Browne Factory in Euston Road
Replies: 6
Views: 1633

Re: Justin Browne Factory in Euston Road

The 1869 ad doesn't say where the factory is.
by Bill Kibby
08 Oct 2019, 10:26
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Justin Browne Factory in Euston Road
Replies: 6
Views: 1633

Re: Justin Browne Factory in Euston Road

At different times, Justn Browne gave his address as 237. 239, 243, or 245. I have not yet been able tp pin down the sequence of dates for these, but nowhere does he say that this is a factory. My 1892 Post Office London Directory lists Justin Browne, Pianoforte maker, 237-245 Euston Road NW. The St...
by Bill Kibby
30 Sep 2019, 12:15
Forum: Piano Advice
Topic: Understanding Regulation
Replies: 20
Views: 11575

Re: Understanding Regulation

Just found this old post, and I am amazed that in so many words, nobody seems to have mentioned one basic fact. A piano action is a complex mechanical device, but before it is ever going to work properly, and before any regulation is attempted on the action, it is essential to make sure the keys are...
by Bill Kibby
30 Sep 2019, 11:57
Forum: Piano Advice
Topic: Yamaha Celeste
Replies: 11
Views: 3502

Re: Yamaha Celeste

I have had some interesting responses from various tuners and dealers about this known problem, which seems to relate to American-made Yamahas, with a U before the serial number. Yamaha took a week to send me a brief email and said "Our Product Specialist has advised that trimming the Celeste felt i...
by Bill Kibby
29 Sep 2019, 10:45
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Steinberg in Kenya
Replies: 5
Views: 2612

Re: Steinberg in Kenya

I'm sorry, you haven't given us any new information that we can act on.
by Bill Kibby
27 Sep 2019, 11:19
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Paterson Sons & Marr Wood Ltd - Aberdeen
Replies: 3
Views: 1370

Re: Paterson Sons & Marr Wood Ltd - Aberdeen

No dates of serial numbers are available but it might be shortly before 1897. Without seeing it, it is difficult to know whether this is likely. Before you start spending money on sprucing it up, I would recommend getting it checked by a tuner, to make sure it holds in tune, because if it doesn't, f...
by Bill Kibby
26 Sep 2019, 10:13
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Paterson Sons & Marr Wood Ltd - Aberdeen
Replies: 3
Views: 1370

Re: Paterson Sons & Marr Wood Ltd - Aberdeen

Paterson was a big name in the Scottish piano trade, music sellers to the Queen, and by 1922 they had joined forces with Marr Wood to become Paterson, Sons, Marr Wood Ltd., with a royal appointment. Their name doesn't tell us anything about the individual piano, but Winkelmann was one of the makes t...
by Bill Kibby
24 Sep 2019, 11:01
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Burling and Mansfield
Replies: 8
Views: 10466

Re: Burling and Mansfield

According to Fox's centenary booklet, they took over Burling & Mansfield's name in 1915, so the piano could have been made later. I don't know what sort of information you are hoping for, no archive material is available for this company, but have a look at http://www.pianohistory.info/edwardian.htm...
by Bill Kibby
23 Sep 2019, 17:34
Forum: Piano History
Topic: WH Barnes Piano - what to do?
Replies: 2
Views: 1312

Re: WH Barnes Piano - what to do?

I'm glad my site was useful but it hasn't been a pianogen site for years, people couldn't understand the name! The Names page at pianohistory.info gives some indication of names used by Barnes, but not which wholesalers made the Barnes pianos. It's odd that some were sold as "Barnes". King & Adam ar...
by Bill Kibby
22 Sep 2019, 14:01
Forum: Piano Advice
Topic: Yamaha Celeste
Replies: 11
Views: 3502

Re: Yamaha Celeste

The spring is doing its job in the bass section, as is the pedal mechanism, it's the fact that the rail sags at the treble end.