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by Bill Kibby
17 Jan 2021, 00:26
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Collard & Collard square piano
Replies: 4
Views: 107

Re: Collard & Collard square piano

I don't use PDF files. The action should slide out towards you once obstructions have been removed. I am not a professional restorer of early pianos. These pictures are from the one I had, 10 years younger.
by Bill Kibby
15 Jan 2021, 11:53
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Collard & Collard square piano
Replies: 4
Views: 107

Re: Collard & Collard square piano

My Numbers page... http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html includes a listing for Collards, and although their numbers are very complicated at times, their main number was hand-written under an imprinted model number. At that time, the main numbers seem to have gone up a thousand per year, and 28,...
by Bill Kibby
13 Jan 2021, 12:13
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Spark & Co., Worcester?
Replies: 5
Views: 9167

Re: Spark & Co., Worcester?

I can't tell you any more than is already listed below. Pianos are hardly ever a "one-off", they are mass-produced. My Name page http://www.pianohistory.info/names.html explains that many piano names are meaningless, and without photos, I can't tell you anything about the individual piano, but you m...
by Bill Kibby
11 Jan 2021, 11:54
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Translation please?
Replies: 1
Views: 47

Re: Translation please?

You haven't told us what the inscription is, but Google Translate should do it for you.
by Bill Kibby
26 Dec 2020, 12:21
Forum: Piano History
Topic: John Broadwood & Sons London
Replies: 1
Views: 448

Re: John Broadwood & Sons London

Nobody anywhere can guess the value or condition of a piano without inspecting it on the spot, and checking whether it holds in tune.
The piano looks to be Edwardian, and the number you quote suggests it is from around 1907. Most pianos have several numbers inside.
by Bill Kibby
22 Dec 2020, 11:03
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Wish to know more about my piano
Replies: 1
Views: 120

Re: Wish to know more about my piano

Regarding the Palings piano, it seems that it was made in USA and sold by Palings, so the number would not follow Palings' published dates. I can't tell you anything just from a number, can you post photos here to show what it looks like? As for the old piano, have a look at http://www.pianohistory....
by Bill Kibby
21 Dec 2020, 10:43
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Age of Knauss piano
Replies: 1
Views: 349

Re: Age of Knauss piano

Very few dates of serial numbers are published, and they can be misleading, because some Knauss pianos have numbers which do not correspond to the published dates. A star or asterisk is often used to indicate the serial number. 40892 is probably around 1893 and this seems possible from the photos, b...
by Bill Kibby
24 Nov 2020, 10:40
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Chappell & Co piano age? 1812?
Replies: 1
Views: 934

Re: Chappell & Co piano age? 1812?

Most pianos have several numbers inside, and although the main serial number can be imprinted in the end of the case like this, you certainly do not have an 1812 piano. It has an iron frame, and is more likely to be from the 1900s. Have a look at http://www.pianohistory.info/datemarks.html http://ww...
by Bill Kibby
23 Nov 2020, 14:19
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Help finding Serial number - Kemble Piano
Replies: 5
Views: 959

Re: Help finding Serial number - Kemble Piano

Where did you see all this detail Barrie? I only see 2 copies of a photo of the outside.
by Bill Kibby
23 Nov 2020, 11:50
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Help finding Serial number - Kemble Piano
Replies: 5
Views: 959

Re: Help finding Serial number - Kemble Piano

It looks like a Kemble, and there is no reason to think anyone would put that name on otherwise. If there is no number just inside the top edge, or on the back at the top, try looking inside, on the soundboard at keyboard level on the bass (left) side. See also http://www.pianohistory.info/datemarks...
by Bill Kibby
19 Nov 2020, 12:17
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Erard 1918?
Replies: 2
Views: 584

Re: Erard

If you have a look near the bottom of the page at http://www.pianohistory.info/archives.html there is a link to Erards' online archive. The number suggests that it might be around 1869, but dating a piano purely on the basis of numbers is not always as simple as it seems. Can you post photos here to...
by Bill Kibby
19 Nov 2020, 12:05
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Goetze upright piano
Replies: 1
Views: 464

Re: Goetze upright piano

Nobody anywhere can guess the value or condition of a piano without inspecting it on the spot. There were piano makers called Goetze in USA, Dresden, Berlin and Russia. They had different numbers, and if it's the Russian one, it might be 1909. Can you post photos to show us what the whole piano look...
by Bill Kibby
18 Nov 2020, 12:52
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Rogers Piano - how old please
Replies: 2
Views: 560

Re: Rogers Piano - how old please

The number suggests that it was made in 1918, but dating pianos purely on the basis of numbers is not always as simple as it seems.
by Bill Kibby
16 Nov 2020, 11:09
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Paterson, Sons & Co
Replies: 4
Views: 957

Re: Paterson, Sons & Co

I would guess this piano was made shortly after the first world war, but it could be twenties.
by Bill Kibby
14 Nov 2020, 12:15
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Paterson, Sons & Co
Replies: 4
Views: 957

Re: Paterson, Sons & Co

It would be useful to have the more obvious photo of the whole piano, to help me with dates. The name was in use from 1858. The fact that it doesn't say "Ltd." suggests that it is before 1918, and it is certainly too old to be a Chinese import. If you want to search inside the piano for clues, have ...
by Bill Kibby
12 Oct 2020, 10:06
Forum: Piano History
Topic: History of my granda's piano?
Replies: 1
Views: 443

Re: History of my granda's piano?

The number beginning with C&S is Cranes' stock number. I can tell you that it is after 1927, and before 1933, so my best guess is 1930. I have lots of Crane pianos on file, they rarely have a definite date, and like many other firms, they bought them in from anonymous wholesalers, including Kemble. ...
by Bill Kibby
03 Oct 2020, 23:04
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Berry with ashtrays and electric lights
Replies: 9
Views: 2631

Re: Berry Piano unusual bakerlite ashtrays under keyboard and electric lights at either end

Sorry, my mistake, the number suggests that it was in 1938.
by Bill Kibby
03 Oct 2020, 21:33
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Berry with ashtrays and electric lights
Replies: 9
Views: 2631

Re: Berry Piano unusual bakerlite ashtrays under keyboard and electric lights at either end

Unfortunately, the published dates of Berry numbers don't go this high, but it seems to be late 1950s.
I already explained that I don't do valuations.
by Bill Kibby
01 Oct 2020, 20:20
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Berry with ashtrays and electric lights
Replies: 9
Views: 2631

Re: Berry Piano unusual bakerlite ashtrays under keyboard and electric lights at either end

It's not a link, it's the email address, which is not on here because it causes so much spam.
by Bill Kibby
29 Sep 2020, 11:51
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Berry with ashtrays and electric lights
Replies: 9
Views: 2631

Re: Berry Piano unusual bakerlite ashtrays under keyboard and electric lights at either end

I'm sorry they have a problem with downloading photos, |I wrestle with it every time. If you want to email them to me, I will attempt to post them here.
by Bill Kibby
28 Sep 2020, 19:37
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Dates of Sticker Actions
Replies: 0
Views: 1217

Dates of Sticker Actions

I wonder if any of you out there are tuning or repairing uprights with the dreaded sticker actions? If so, you may be able to help me. This is one of two evolutionary lines for uprights, and mainly associated with Victorian Cottage Pianos, which died the death suddenly in the 1880s. The latest examp...
by Bill Kibby
28 Sep 2020, 12:08
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Brasted 1837?
Replies: 4
Views: 5335

Re: Brasted 1837?

The Brasted family now run a restaurant, and I tune a Brasted piano there. They have some fragmentary history, but the last I heard, it was a long way from being published.
by Bill Kibby
28 Sep 2020, 12:03
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Mornington Piano: Anybody knows about this brand?
Replies: 14
Views: 13184

Re: Mornington Piano: Anybody knows about this brand?

I get the feeling that this forum is turning into facebook, there are so many spelling mistakes. Mornington is a name used on some fairly modern pianos, and the KK suggests that it was made in Japan, but t is not imitating Kawai. The Herrburger Brooks action suggests that it was completed in the UK,...
by Bill Kibby
28 Sep 2020, 11:55
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Berry with ashtrays and electric lights
Replies: 9
Views: 2631

Re: Berry Piano unusual bakelite ashtrays under keyboard and electric lights at either end

It is not unusual to find Berry pianos with ashtrays and lights. I worked for Berry in the sixties, and have tuned many of these. The girder bars label was around for some years before your piano, so it doesn't help us. Nobody anywhere can guess the value or condition of a piano without inspecting i...
by Bill Kibby
27 Sep 2020, 11:47
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Murdoch, Murdoch & Co Upright
Replies: 2
Views: 912

Re: Murdoch, Murdoch & Co Upright

My earliest reference to Murdoch in Corporation Street is at number 47, in 1897. The piano looks typical of the 1920s, but the number suggests that it may have been made before 1921. I will see what I can find, but Murdoch pianos cannot be reliably dated by serial numbers, because they were made for...
by Bill Kibby
23 Sep 2020, 17:47
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Sames Upright
Replies: 26
Views: 24705

Re: Sames Upright

I have a few estiated dates for William Sames pianos from England, but I have no idea if they will help. If you open the top of the piano, can you see any numbers?
Also, have a look at
http://www.pianohistory.info/datemarks.html
by Bill Kibby
22 Sep 2020, 08:01
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Cramer.wood &Co piano
Replies: 5
Views: 1633

Re: Cramer.wood &Co piano

This is a typical Victorian Cottage Piano as shown at
http://www.pianohistory.info/victorian.html
They finished in the 1880s, this one may be a little earlier, but unless there is a date written on the end keys, I can't pin it down more accurately.
My email is on my own website.
by Bill Kibby
21 Sep 2020, 10:05
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Cramer.wood &Co piano
Replies: 5
Views: 1633

Re: Cramer.wood &Co piano

The only clue in your information is Maunder... 1865 Not listed. 1869 John Maunder, 54, Queen Street Camden Town NW. 1870 John Maunder, 54, Queen Street Camden Town NW. 1875 is the latest directory entry I have found so far for John Maunder, Apollo Works, Leighton Road NW. 1880 Not listed. Arthur Al...
by Bill Kibby
16 Sep 2020, 11:43
Forum: Piano History
Topic: William Dodson London piano
Replies: 7
Views: 2613

Re: William Dodson London piano

My initial guess is that it was made around 1902, so have a look at http://www.pianohistory.info/edwardian.html Dodson was established in 1867, but did not appear in the London directories up to 1870. By 1875, the first reference to Dodson in my London lists of Pianoforte makers is Wm.Dodson, 22A, B...
by Bill Kibby
10 Sep 2020, 11:13
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Hilton & Hilton Gold Medal Piano
Replies: 8
Views: 7978

Re: Hilton & Hilton Gold Medal Piano

Unfortunately no proper dates of their serial numbers are available. I had an enquiry about this piano on this forum in 2016, and estimated its date at 1899, but with more information arriving, I can say that it is shortly before 1902, perhaps 1901. However, the key clearly has a date ending /99 so ...
by Bill Kibby
04 Sep 2020, 11:13
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Piano History - John Spencer 10516
Replies: 1
Views: 814

Re: Piano History - John Spencer 10516

I don't know if there are 2 posts about this piano, I answered it yesterday but can't see my answer.
The number suggests that your piano was made in 1888.
by Bill Kibby
03 Sep 2020, 20:20
Forum: Piano History
Topic: John Spencer & Co Upright Piano
Replies: 3
Views: 6068

Re: John Spencer & Co Upright Piano

I'm not sure about the "etc.", no original archives survive, and all we can do is try to date the number. In this instance, 10516 suggests that it was made around 1888.
by Bill Kibby
02 Sep 2020, 11:46
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Age of a John Brinsmead & Sons Piano
Replies: 4
Views: 1644

Re: Age of a John Brinsmead & Sons Piano

I was guessing that your piano was made around the 1914 war. This website needs some help with the software that is supposed to upload photos. Here are (I hope they load) some pictures of Brinsmead numbers. Like yours, they have 5 digits preceded by a circle, but it's not a zero, it's a felt pad to ...
by Bill Kibby
01 Sep 2020, 12:14
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Age of a John Brinsmead & Sons Piano
Replies: 4
Views: 1644

Re: Age of a John Brinsmead & Sons Piano

Dating a piano purely on the basis of numbers is often not as simple as it seems, and one reason for this is the fact that most pianos have several numbers inside. Although it is not unusual for a serial number to have 6 digits, in 60 years I have never seen one that began with a zero. If you just o...
by Bill Kibby
18 Aug 2020, 11:44
Forum: Piano History
Topic: John Spencer & Co., London
Replies: 46
Views: 49913

Re: John Spencer & Co., London

It is usually very straightforward with Spencers, and as you can see in examples above, if you lift the top and look inside, you should see a serial number. If 1695 is the number, it was made shortly after 1883, and will probably be a Cottage Piano style, as shown at... http://www.pianohistory.info/...
by Bill Kibby
17 Aug 2020, 09:57
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Bechstein piano
Replies: 1
Views: 836

Re: Bechstein piano

When you say "baby" do you mean a baby grand? If this number appears on the front edge of the soundboard, near the treble end, it is a separate sequence, known as a belly number. A few of these are shown at http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html and suggest a date around 1903. There should be ano...
by Bill Kibby
13 Aug 2020, 10:00
Forum: Piano History
Topic: My childhood piano
Replies: 5
Views: 2030

Re: My childhood piano

A Monington & Weston would usually have a serial number visible when you lift the top. Another is hidden away on the soundboard, probably inside the bottom. Both would be 5 digits, but quite different.
by Bill Kibby
12 Aug 2020, 11:47
Forum: Piano History
Topic: My childhood piano
Replies: 5
Views: 2030

Re: My childhood piano

Is there no name at all on the piano? The style is a bit like the Jacobean models of the twenties, but the inside looks older. See my Edwardian page... http://www.pianohistory.info/edwardian.html Is it possible to have more of a front view? Can I ask how you arrived at the idea that it is a Moningto...
by Bill Kibby
11 Aug 2020, 10:43
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Erard piano
Replies: 1
Views: 771

Re: Erard piano

Michael Gunn & Son were in business until 1873,and are known to have sold Erard Semi-Grand pianofortes. 1451 appears to be the serial number, which would suggest that it was made around 1847, although published information varies. We don't know yet when they moved to Grafton Street, and it may be th...
by Bill Kibby
10 Aug 2020, 09:51
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Parker Piano Co
Replies: 3
Views: 1314

Re: Parker Piano Co

You mention "more photos" but you haven't shown us any yet. Parker is a very common surname, so it is not surprising that there have been a number of piano firms with the name, but most of these were retailers, not true makers. They include... PARKER & Co. at BISHOPSGATE PARKER & Co. at EDGEWARE ROA...
by Bill Kibby
09 Aug 2020, 12:02
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Spencer piano
Replies: 1
Views: 912

Re: Spencer piano

My guess would be walnut, but someone else may offer a more reliable answer to that. The number suggests that it was made in 1916, and this seems reasonable. The deep bevelled edges of the panels were common then. Some earlier Spencers only have partial iron frames, and wooden pedals. Around this ti...
by Bill Kibby
04 Aug 2020, 15:00
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Barnard, London
Replies: 8
Views: 5813

Re: Barnard, London

My only clue is the Jacobean style, which suggests twenties, starting from about 1923-4 onwards.
Checking the keys is a more major operation with a player, can you see any markings near the bottom of the iron frame?
by Bill Kibby
01 Aug 2020, 18:08
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Barnard, London
Replies: 8
Views: 5813

Re: Barnard, London

In the twenties, Rogers serial numbers were about half the Chappell numbers.
Reviewing my files on Chappell serial numbers, there are many that don't correspond to the published dates. My Numbers page only lists confirmed dates.
Later in the 1900s, Chappell pianos were made at the Kemble factory.
by Bill Kibby
01 Aug 2020, 13:22
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Hansons upright 7366
Replies: 3
Views: 3416

Re: Hansons upright 7366

Is it a Herrburger Brooks action? That would place it between 1920 and the fifties, when the last overdampers were made.
The name appears to be on a separate headbar, not part of the original frame.
by Bill Kibby
01 Aug 2020, 12:27
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Barnard, London
Replies: 8
Views: 5813

Re: Barnard, London

These are similar to the Jacobean models shown on my Edwardian page... http://www.pianohistory.info/edwardian.html If you have a look at the dated serial numbers near the bottom of my Numbers page, that may give some clues. Chappells were around 70,000 in the twenties. If you haven't already checked...
by Bill Kibby
31 Jul 2020, 11:16
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Barnard, London
Replies: 8
Views: 5813

Re: Barnard, London

The next question is - who was making Chappell pianos at that time?
Jacobean styles were popular in the twenties.
by Bill Kibby
28 Jul 2020, 11:14
Forum: Piano History
Topic: 1842 Broadwood grand
Replies: 0
Views: 1300

1842 Broadwood grand

I am going to see an 1842 Broadwood grand with 82 notes C-A, and the owner is having trouble finding a buyer because of its age. She has been told it is worth a few thousand pounds, so we must assume that it has been restored, and would probably not interest a restorer. If anyone is interested, or c...
by Bill Kibby
25 Jul 2020, 23:02
Forum: Piano History
Topic: British Stelzner upright
Replies: 5
Views: 5764

Re: British Stelzner upright

The number preceded by K indicates that it was made by Kemble, London in 1951. This style resembling the front of a grand was popular then.
by Bill Kibby
23 Jul 2020, 11:26
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Steck Pianola age
Replies: 3
Views: 1538

Re: Steck Pianola age

I can only refer you to the comments I made above. If anyone simply quotes a date for a Steck number, it is not reliable.
by Bill Kibby
19 Jul 2020, 11:39
Forum: Piano History
Topic: John Spencer & Co., London
Replies: 46
Views: 49913

Re: John Spencer & Co., London

The number suggests that it was made in 1913. I have hundreds of individual Spencers on file, but knowing one doesn't usually help with learning anything about another.