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New British Cavendish Piano

Postby Barrie Heaton » 10 Mar 2012, 13:48

There is a new Kid on the Block below is some press releases and photos below

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New British piano
http://www.cavendishpianos.com/

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"I'm sorry, there's no such thing as a British piano any more".
These are the words Adam and Charlie Cox, a husband and wife team running
Yorkshire Pianos, found themselves saying to many of their customers looking
for a new piano.
"People grew up with British pianos at school and at home and we find that
when people come to buy their own piano they are often looking for that mellow
sound that they grew up with", says Charlie.
Two years ago the Kemble factory closed in Milton Keynes, sounding the death
knell for British piano making. It was the last remaining factory and when the
gates closed for the final time skilled workers, some of whom had been involved
in the piano industry all their lives, found themselves with nowhere to turn.
"We felt we had no choice but to either lose British Piano manufacturing
forever, or try to resurrect the art of making pianos in Britain" says Adam.

Having traded for 15 years in Leeds as Headingley Pianos, the team searched
for new premises to not only act as showroom, but also as piano manufacturing
base. They looked at shops, industrial units, church-halls. even a church! After
well over a year's searching they had almost given up looking.
"Then one day I was on a bike ride to Bolton Abbey" says Adam "I knew
immediately it was the right place for us as I peered through a window and saw
a large barn of a room. What an acoustic I thought!"
Of course when they took it on it is was more like barn than a piano showroom
and workshop but with the use of a bank loan and the help of local Wharfedale
firms they were able to transform it and it is now perfect for their needs.
"Lots of people ask if it was originally a church or chapel" says John Spencer,
head technician, "reclaimed ecclesiastical panelling and doors were used in
the conversion but it was built originally as a forge." Situated just off the busy
A59 at the foot of Beamsley Beacon with wonderful views in all directions it's
certainly an inspiring place to work.
The Duke and Duchess of Devonshire paid them a visit early on and were
interested and then excited at the prospect of a piano shop and manufacturing
base on their estate at Bolton Abbey.
"They have backed our project every step of the way so we felt 'Cavendish' was
the perfect name for our pianos, being the Duke and Duchess' family name.
Without their kind patronage none of this would have been possible", says
Charlie.

There is no shortage of skilled workers in the piano industry and allied trades in
this country. In fact, many components are still made here and exported all
over the globe for piano making abroad.
"We felt it was crazy that British expertise was being used to make the highest
quality components for the piano industry and yet no finished products were
being made in this country" says Adam. For example, Hainsworth in Leeds
produce cloth and felt used in the manufacture of many German pianos such
as Steinway.

"Their quality is second to none and they're on our doorstep while people are
buying pianos manufactured in the Far East!"
As one of the oldest companies in the UK (established 1783) Hainsworth
certainly know what they're doing when it comes to textiles and their knowhow
and heritage is legendary in the piano trade. It's no coincidence that one of the
leading woollen mills should be in Leeds, famous throughout the world for its
history of textile production. It was however coincidental that our wood source,
British Hardwoods, should be based in the Yorkshire Dales.
Also our supplier of wood finishes is near the traditional cabinet making town of
Thirsk. Silchrome Plating in Leeds, founded in 1949, work in everything from
aerospace to classic cars. We quickly started to realise we were not making
'British pianos' but 'Yorkshire Pianos'.
"We were not using Yorkshire firms as a gimmick or because we liked the idea
but simply because they are the best in their field."
Surrounded by pianos in various states of construction, John Spencer, head
technician at Yorkshire Pianos, sits down at a newly finished Cavendish piano.
"Of course the sound is the important thing" says Spencer. "We are looking for
that rounded, European tone that is part of British piano heritage." Spencer
plays a smooth sounding chord then moves over to a well known Far Eastern
made piano and does the same. The difference is staggering!



"We often talk in orchestral terms when describing piano sound. We are
looking for woodwind with undertones of strings rather than brass."
"Price-wise things are starting to go full circle" says Charlie. The days of
cheap far Eastern pianos are ending as their manufacturing costs are steadily
going up (some Chinese pianos have almost doubled in cost in the last few
years) and shipping prices are soaring. We find ourselves in the position
where British goods actually can compete with far eastern goods in the UK.
"Unlike microwave ovens, pianos are one of those things that are better used in
their country of origin" says Adam "They are very susceptible to climate
changes. After all, you have to remember they are a complicated wooden
machine which has been made in the same way for a hundred years."

" My biggest bugbears are the use of plastic in piano actions. Far Eastern
makers claim it is a 'better' material for making piano actions. Cheaper - yes,
better - no! We know wooden action parts last because the evidence is all
around us. If looked after, a traditionally made piano will last a lifetime. Many
recently made pianos using plastic action parts are already worn out and un-
repairable. The golden rule for Cavendish Pianos is they are made in the
traditional way and with definitely no plastic!"
They have already had interest from many quarters and are just managing to
keep up with orders at the moment. They have been in talks with Harrods who
are interested in selling a British piano.
"We have been involved with pianos all our working lives" say Charlie and
Adam. "This is the biggest challenge we have ever had to meet. We know that
the demand is there for the future, and we are confident because Cavendish
Pianos are Yorkshire-made using not just traditional skills, but love.

Many Thanks,

Adam Cox

Yorkshire Pianos

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Re: New British Cavendish Piano

Postby NewAge » 10 Mar 2012, 21:11

Very interesting and exciting information. Thank you Barrie.

It's particularly interesting to see in their Traditional 124 upright model the traditional pentagraph-like music rest with page holders. That's a welcome return!
http://www.cavendishpianos.com/traditional.html
There was one description of a feature that I couldn't quite understand and that was, 'Traditional panelled front allows sound to be directed to player.' How so? The panels appear to be solid; if the 'panels' were a fabric-covered wooden frame I could understand the comment of sound being directed to the player.

I sincerely hope these new pianos will be a success. If someone could eventually post a recording of how they sound that would certainly increase the interest.
I was playing the piano in a zoo, when the elephant burst into tears. I said, "Don't you recognize the tune?" He replied, "No, I recognize the ivories!"
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Re: New British Cavendish Piano

Postby vernon » 10 Mar 2012, 21:38

I notice a rather deprecatory observation about " plastic parts" not being satisfactory. "Plastics" is a portmanteau word covering a spectrum of widely differing materials. but some are excellent for pianos and must surpass wood for many uses as wood is a most unstable medium.
The adventures in relatively recent times into nylon key bushings ( Barratt and Robinson) turned a bit sour. Plastic action parts with no bushings ( Lindner) seem very satisfactory despite the rest of the piano falling apart..The Kawai carbon fibre action is superb.
Why wooden keys?.Wooden actions are surely an expensive anachronism.
Felt seems at present to be irreplaceable.Hickory hammer shanks too.
Felt bushings are surely an expensive thing of the past with nothing to commend them.
Again,can Cavendish look at the tremendous Lindner key levelling sytem. and metal action construction--simple but effective.Even the welded frame.
Banging wrest pins into a bit of wood just like Christofori did nearly 300 years ago must need looking at.
The Knight continuous bridge with no break. etc
I hope they can build on the past and we certainly wish them all the best
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Re: New British Cavendish Piano

Postby Model V » 11 Mar 2012, 12:01

What wonderful news! I do hope some of our mambers in the sales trade will get in touch!
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Re: New British Cavendish Piano

Postby Barrie Heaton » 11 Mar 2012, 12:19

NewAge wrote:
I sincerely hope these new pianos will be a success. If someone could eventually post a recording of how they sound that would certainly increase the interest.


Not the best of recordings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEYHGFng ... edded#t=0s
a better one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=en ... rKzgjTYcNI
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Re: New British Cavendish Piano

Postby Gromit » 21 Mar 2012, 20:02

Just been listening to Radio 3 where in the last few mins there's been a short article about these new pianos. Would certainly like to wish the company well. :)
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Re: New British Cavendish Piano

Postby RWAS » 23 Mar 2012, 20:24

This is a very audacious enterprise in a very competitive piano market and I congratulate Cavendish Pianos on the launch of their pianos with my best wishes for the future.

I was brought up playing British pianos and I loved the sweet, warm sound of Broadwood, Collard and Collard, Welmar and Marshall & Rose instruments.

I hope that Cavendish Pianos can build on that fine tradition of British pianos. I hope that they will find a profitable niche market for those who appreciate the the more refined sound of a piano which has been produced with additional "hand crafting".

Good luck Cavendish Pianos!

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Re: New British Cavendish Piano

Postby joseph » 28 Jul 2012, 12:29

So, has anybody played the pianos yet? I'm intrigued to hear them. They certainly look good.
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Re: New British Cavendish Piano

Postby A440 » 03 Sep 2012, 08:41

High quality sound files of Cavendish are now available. Have a listen!
http://www.cavendishpianos.com/about.html
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Re: New British Cavendish Piano

Postby joseph » 03 Sep 2012, 17:20

It's a decent sounding piano. From the sound clips I couldn't really tell, and will have to spend some time with one. My criticism is that it's perhaps a bit uneven sounding, and lacking in the ability to produce a real singing tone. That said, most brand new pianos don't sing well, and the sound was coming over speakers.

Things will get better as the company make more pianos I'm sure of it.

Are the frames and cases made in the UK as well?
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Re: New British Cavendish Piano

Postby Redwings » 08 Sep 2012, 17:40

I was intrigued when I heard about Cavendish pianos. Enough for me to pay a visit to Skipton where Yorkshire Pianos are based and where their Cavendish range are built. We had the entire showroom for our exclusive use and Adam Cox the MD could not have been more helpful. He showed us the workshop next door where the pianos are built and it is fair to say that they could not me more hand built. The sound is incredibly mellow, perhaps even too mellow for some but I loved it. Personally, I thought it sounded better than the Bechstein, Bluthner, Sauter, Yamaha and Kemble and a far cry from the Chinese pianos they had in their showroom. It took me back to the piano in my primary school and the Welmar I learned on years ago. It is a sound that the established piano brands just don't make anymore. I was ready to place an order there and then but my wife acting as my conscience suggested that we think about it. Over the next few days I started looking at some other brands namely Yamaha, Kemble, Petrof, and the Bechstein owned Czech brands W. Hoffmann and Bohemia (essentially the same piano). Yamaha were understandably a bit more expensive but what surprised me was how much more expensive similar sized pianos from the Czech brands are ( circa £2k). To be honest, I cannot tell you if a Hoffmann is a better piano than a Cavendish but all I can say is that I prefer the sound of the Cavendish. Also, a handcrafted Cavendish is only a little more expensive than an equivalent Kemble which is built in a generic Yamaha factory in Indonesia churning out thousands of units a year on a production line. Again, an equivalent hand built Yamaha starts at circa £15k. The Cavendish pianos have been extensively played by Emanuelle Vass, an up and coming concert pianist who has been Yamaha's unsigned artist this year and I asked him what he thought of them. You can see him playing them on YouTube and he is unequivocal in his praise and cannot recommend them more highly. All this made it a no brainier for me and a 10 percent discount offer across the range made it all the sweeter. If you can afford it, go for the 124 traditional in solid walnut which is stunning or the same model in ebony with panelled front and old style book rest. I opted for the 124 contemporary in ebony as it was the lowest price out of the 124cm pianos. I will be waiting around 3 weeks for it to be built. If you want something smaller, there is a 112cm model in ebony. This also sounds excellent. Overall, lovely sound, superb quality, handbuilt in low numbers, 10 year warranty and you get back what you paid if you trade your Cavendish piano in for another within 10 years. Oh I nearly forgot to mention that you get a Union Jack covered piano stool. What more could you want?
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Re: New British Cavendish Piano

Postby vernon » 08 Sep 2012, 21:53

prices?
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Re: New British Cavendish Piano

Postby Colin Nicholson » 08 Sep 2012, 23:25

Redwings.... are you on commission?? ! :)
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Re: New British Cavendish Piano

Postby Redwings » 09 Sep 2012, 11:07

Colin Nicholson wrote:Redwings.... are you on commission?? ! :)


Nice one. I like it. No I'm not. Just very enthusiastic about my purchase
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Re: New British Cavendish Piano

Postby Colin Nicholson » 09 Sep 2012, 13:12

Nice 1.... hope it plays well. I popped into the shop earlier this year and met Adam - very brief! .... and had a good selection of pianos, but regrettably I dont think the Cavendish was ready in time. I'm sort of due in that area again around November - . so I'll try and pay a visit again nearer Xmas. Good luck with that.

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Re: New British Cavendish Piano

Postby joseph » 09 Sep 2012, 19:29

Get one that's been prepped up to the hilt, and then let's see what they're capable of. I'm sure they'll be excellent pianos. I'm keen to try the uprights - the UK had a reputation for making some of the best mid-priced uprights on the market. It's good that we're back in business. Between them and the new Broadwoods it's becoming a good time for piano making here again
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Re: New British Cavendish Piano

Postby Redwings » 11 Sep 2012, 20:40

Prices for the Cavendish range based on recent pricelist are as follows: -

Classic 112 - £4,999
Contemporary 124 - £6,995
Traditional 124 - £7,999
Traditional 124 in walnut - £9,995
Baby Grand 152 - £12,900
Boudoir Grand 168 - £14,950

These prices exclude a 10 percent discount currently being offered. This was an important factor in my purchase to be honest but I'm not sure how long Yorkshire Pianos who make them are offering it. A dealer in the south, Hannah pianos in Wimbledon has recently been appointed.
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Re: New British Cavendish Piano

Postby joseph » 13 Sep 2012, 08:59

The uprights are priced a little above Yamaha, but the grands are priced well below.
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Re: New British Cavendish Piano

Postby RWAS » 08 Dec 2012, 07:53

I have been looking for some independent reviews of Cavendish pianos, but all I can find are promotions by the company. Despite my earlier congratulatory post on the launch of this piano, I have been concerned by one or two extravagant and suspect claims on some piano forums, that the Cavendish vertical is better than the C Bechstein Concert 8 and the Sauter verticals. Admittedly, I have heard the Cavendish pianos only on youtube clips and short sound samples, but my impression is that they are certainly not better than the C Bechstein Concert 8 or the Sauter verticals which are perhaps the best upright pianos in the world.
Another issue is the promotional marketing which denigrates both Yamaha and Kawai instruments for their "plastic" parts and "bright" tonal qualities. It is disappointing that this fledgling company should resort to these tactics to promote their own piano.
I wish this enterprise well, but I would be interested in seeing some independent reviews on these instruments.

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Re: New British Cavendish Piano

Postby joseph » 08 Dec 2012, 13:15

Having never played one, I couldn't say. I wouldn't think they are better than Bechsteins, Sauters, Yamahas or Kawais though. I would say that they present a home-built alternative that fits within a certain price
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Re: New British Cavendish Piano

Postby RWAS » 08 Dec 2012, 18:20

Thank you, Joseph and although you have not played one, I believe you have made a sensible assumption given the pricing of these pianos.
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