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for me sound wise it's the Z1 but the SU7 action is better with tweakingJayJay wrote:I'm looking to upgrade from a small Kemble, and on my short list of new pianos that I have played and liked are Zimmerman Z1 (£11,000ish), Kawai K5 (6700), Yamaha SU7 (10,900). I realise there should be some negotiating on these prices. What do you think of this short list, and what would be a fair price?
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Now I am more educated with this piano choosing business, I have been amazed at the differences between examples of the same piano. I am sure that how the piano is set up at the store plays a big role - but I suspect that each piano is individual and during fabrication differences are built it. I also believe that the environment that the piano lives in at the retail store plays a role.... so the dealer that sells a piano at the lowest price is not always the best deal. Choose the dealer with great care! Do not believe that an ugly tone can be dramatically improved by a little 'voicing'. Voicing done by the wrong person can be a real disaster. The piano should sound excellent at the retail store and be perfectly set up... MAKE SURE THAT THEY WILL DELIVER THE EXACT PIANO THAT YOU SELECT.
Re our Bechstein A124 ... this is and continues to be an excellent piano .. excellent tone and excellent touch etc. So I would add this to the list as it should be a similar (but a bit more expensive) than the Z1. I also recommend to install a Dampp Chaser system - right from the beginning. This system has kept our piano in perfect tune... this keeps the soundboard at the correct humidity in addition to all the working parts and felts, etc.
It seems to be difficult to compare prices at different places, as most places don't list there instrument prices on the net- it's all POA.
I also realise it's better to pay more for a properly prepared instrument, and piano shops need to make enough profit to survive.
I think I'll have to get my daughter to play the Z1 & SU7 and see which she prefers.
You are going to see this more. Retailers are been told not to put discounted prices on the webJayJay wrote:It seems to be difficult to compare prices at different places, as most places don't list there instrument prices on the net- it's all POA.
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The existing music room is 13.5x11 foot, but planning to move house in 1-2y, when a bigger music room is high on the list of essentials. Also playing loud is probably more difficult for me and my daughter due to a genetic neurological condition (Charcot Marie Tooth). We're quite lucky to be able to play OK, as some people with our condition get quite disabled by it. My daughter recently got grade 7 with a distinction. I'm sure that piano playing is good therapy for my hands, and helps to preserve function- they seem to work better when I play more, but I guess that's true for everybody.
I haven't played a K6 yet, but I found it much easier to play the K5 quietly than to play my small Kemble quietly.
Thanks for the advice.