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by Bill Kibby
21 Nov 2017, 09:37
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Black Erard
Replies: 1
Views: 163

Re: Black Erard

Serial numbers over twenty thousand usually indicate a Paris Erard, but it is important to remember that most pianos have several numbers inside, and this looks like a typical Edwardian London piano, as shown at http://www.pianohistory.info/edwardian.html Most pianos were veneered. "Ebonised" cases ...
by Bill Kibby
21 Nov 2017, 09:30
Forum: Piano History
Topic: C.E.LITTLE PIANO
Replies: 1
Views: 96

Re: C.E.LITTLE PIANO

It is likely that this piano was made in 1924, judging by the following item... 1924 #31071 C.E.Little & Sons final receipt for 1922 piano: Partners E.C. Little, L.A. Little. Head Office & factory; Whitley Road, Bruce Grove, Tottenham, N.17. Telephone Tottenham 2120. Pianoforte Warehouse; 328, Essex...
by Bill Kibby
21 Nov 2017, 09:20
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Chepstow Londen Piano
Replies: 1
Views: 269

Re: Chepstow London Piano

I am sorry I didn't realise you had posted 2 messages, so I answered on the other one. Nobody can tell you anything about the individual piano just from a name, and my Names page at pianohistory.info explains that many piano names are meaningless anyway. It also explains about "manufactured expressl...
by Bill Kibby
21 Nov 2017, 09:14
Forum: Piano History
Topic: need more info about my piano
Replies: 1
Views: 126

Re: need more info about my piano

It is not possible to tell you anything about an individual piano just from the name, can you post photos here to show the whole piano looks like? My Names page at pianohistory.info explains that many piano names are meaningless. Can you please check the spelling? My Edwardian page has lots of gener...
by Bill Kibby
06 Nov 2017, 15:14
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Berry 1951 piano value
Replies: 2
Views: 188

Re: Berry 1951 piano value

My Numbers page http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html explains that most pianos cannot be reliably dated purely on the basis of numbers. Near the bottom of the page I list some Berry numbers in the forty thousand range for that period. Nobody anywhere can guess the value or condition of a piano ...
by Bill Kibby
03 Nov 2017, 16:49
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Ernst Wittig Berlin piano
Replies: 1
Views: 287

Ernst Wittig Berlin piano

Firstly, 85 notes is the normal arrangement in old pianos, and as late as the sixties, I was selling lots of 85-note new pianos. Sadly I have no detailed information about Wittig, but I have just moved my collection from Norfolk to Lincolnshire, so it will be a while before I can search through book...
by Bill Kibby
23 Oct 2017, 11:38
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Age and history of Berry upright
Replies: 1
Views: 181

Re: Age and history of Berry upright

The name would have been a flimsy transfer under the polish, so it would be lost when the piano was repolished. I think this number suggests a date around 1928, but having just moved from Norfolk to Lincolnshire, I can't put my hands on the right book yet! However, my Numbers page http://www.pianohi...
by Bill Kibby
23 Sep 2017, 14:38
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Winkelmann & Co
Replies: 1
Views: 405

Re: Winkelmann & Co

By "costs" do you mean its value? You won't find anyone anywhere quoting the values of pianos without inspecting the piano on the spot, and checking if it holds in tune, so your local tuner is the best person to ask. Winkelmann is a fairly well-known name, later combined with Zeitter. There should b...
by Bill Kibby
23 Sep 2017, 14:35
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Horne and Thompson of Burton upon Trent
Replies: 1
Views: 402

Re: Horne and Thompson of Burton upon Trent

Edgar Horne was in Burton-upon-Trent in the 1880s and 1890s, and his name appears on pianos, but he was probably just one of many retailers buying in pianos from wholesalers and putting his name onto them. By 1911, they were Horne Thompson & Co. and by the thirties, they were a limited company. I am...
by Bill Kibby
23 Sep 2017, 14:24
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Pianola Factory in Middlesex around 1911
Replies: 1
Views: 497

Re: Pianola Factory in Middlesex around 1911

First, you need to understand that Pianola is just one of many brands of what are properly known as Player Pianos. The factory at Hayes was involved with several names, including Aeolian, Pianola, Weber and Orchestrelle, but I have never been clear about which was the parent company. I confess a cer...
by Bill Kibby
13 Sep 2017, 15:29
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Rosenthal Piano
Replies: 3
Views: 1587

Re: Rosenthal Piano

Nobody anywhere can guess the value or condition of a piano without inspecting it on the spot, and checking whether it holds in tune, so your local tuner is the best person to ask.
by Bill Kibby
25 Aug 2017, 22:08
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Richardson Edwardian Upright
Replies: 3
Views: 530

Re: Richardson Edwardian Upright

Pigot's Directory of Chester, 1828, lists Mrs Boucher, Music & Musical Instrument sellers, Abbey Street, Chester. This is the only reference I have found so far to the name Boucher. Wrexham Archives kindly told me that Adam Richardson died in 1908, and in view of the fact that the address appears to...
by Bill Kibby
24 Aug 2017, 10:22
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Richardson Edwardian Upright
Replies: 3
Views: 530

Re: Richardson Edwardian Upright

The piano transfer says that Richardson was successor to Boucher & Co. I can't find any record of Boucher & Co. yet, but Adam Richardson was at Chester by 1886, and opened the Wrexham branch by 1899 (after 1894). One possibility is that Richardson's new Wrexham branch was taken over from Boucher & C...
by Bill Kibby
24 Aug 2017, 09:38
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Richardson Edwardian Upright
Replies: 3
Views: 530

Re: Richardson Edwardian Upright

This is a typical Edwardian upright, as shown at http://www.pianohistory.info/edwardian.html The front decoration is incised, in other words it is scratched into the wood with a sharp tool, using a stencil as a guide. The action was imported from Germany, which suggests it is before the 1914 war. I ...
by Bill Kibby
21 Aug 2017, 20:06
Forum: Piano History
Topic: John G Murdoch Normelle Upright Piano
Replies: 5
Views: 2437

Re: John G Murdoch Normelle Upright Piano

As far as history is concerned, I don't think Normelle is anything to do with this Spencer piano, is it? This type of piano was not made in 1886, see http://www.pianohistory.info/edwardian.html and the 1880s Spencer examples at http://www.pianohistory.info/victorian.html I don't think Murdoch was in...
by Bill Kibby
08 Aug 2017, 17:38
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Carl Ecke Piano worth
Replies: 3
Views: 903

Re: Carl Ecke Piano worth

I love the concept that a piano will not go out of tune if you play it!
by Bill Kibby
05 Aug 2017, 10:50
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Goulburn London piano
Replies: 4
Views: 831

Re: Goulburn London piano

Unfortunately, because of a change in software on this forum, I am having trouble inserting your photos, so I am waiting for advice. The fact that the name is cast into the iron frame, as well as being on the front, suggests that the piano was always intended to be a "Goulburn", but so far, I can fi...
by Bill Kibby
04 Aug 2017, 10:06
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Goulburn London piano
Replies: 4
Views: 831

Re: Goulburn London piano

It is not usually possible to tell you anything about an individual piano just from the name. If you can post photos here to show what the whole piano looks like, or email them to me to post, I may be able to tell you more. So far, I can find no references in our many London lists to a maker or reta...
by Bill Kibby
30 Jul 2017, 09:52
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Mayell Piano Manfacturers
Replies: 10
Views: 5968

Re: Mayell Piano Manfacturers

The only other one I know of is John Mayell, (nothing to do with the Bluesbreakers) who established his business at 547, Broadway, New York in 1861. Being a piano historian, I don't normally get asked about anything as modern as your pianos!
by Bill Kibby
24 Jul 2017, 16:51
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Identification
Replies: 1
Views: 490

Re: Identification

Herrburger Brooks didn't make pianos, they made the action - the working parts of the notes. It only tells us it was made after 1919. If you want to search for clues inside the piano, have a look at http://www.pianohistory.info/datemarks.html If you can post photos here to show what the whole piano ...
by Bill Kibby
16 Jul 2017, 09:40
Forum: Piano Advice
Topic: New Kawai Age and History
Replies: 11
Views: 6316

Kawai

Kawai's website suggests that it was made in 1996. http://www.kawaius-tsd.com/pages/serial_manudate.html It's a bit too modern for my history files, but somebody who deals in new pianos may be able to answer more about the model. If you want to search inside it for a date, have a look at http://www....
by Bill Kibby
03 Jul 2017, 09:01
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Kirkman Baby Grand No 56277
Replies: 1
Views: 564

Re: Kirkman Baby Grand No 56277

My Numbers page
http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html
explains that most pianos cannot be reliably dated purely on the basis of numbers. It might be around 1937. If you can post photos here to show what the whole piano looks like, or email them to me to post, I may be able to tell you more.
by Bill Kibby
29 Jun 2017, 15:37
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Waldemar of Berlin
Replies: 7
Views: 10660

Re: Waldemar of Berlin

For general information see
http://www.pianohistory.info/edwardian.html
If you want to search inside the piano for a date see
http://www.pianohistory.info/datemarks.html
by Bill Kibby
27 Jun 2017, 21:02
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Waldemar of Berlin
Replies: 7
Views: 10660

Re: Waldemar of Berlin

Waldemar is a name from Queen Victoria's family, and is sometimes used as an alias on a variety of pianos, which means that we have no way of knowing who made them, unless there are clues inside. There were at least 4 companies using the name. Many were sold in Australia and New Zealand. No dates of...
by Bill Kibby
26 Jun 2017, 09:54
Forum: Piano History
Topic: F. Rubinstein & Co. what age is my piano?
Replies: 7
Views: 2353

Re: F. Rubinstein & Co. what age is my piano?

I have already seen this picture on the Pinterest website, it is possibly the only piano by this maker illustrated online. In spite of being made in Prague, it resembles the German uprights of the 1890s shown at
http://www.pianohistory.info/edwardian.html
and I would guess it was made around 1898.
by Bill Kibby
25 Jun 2017, 19:54
Forum: Piano History
Topic: F. Rubinstein & Co. what age is my piano?
Replies: 7
Views: 2353

Re: F. Rubinstein & Co. what age is my piano?

This is obviously a different Rubinstein, based in Prague, and I have no details about him, although the pianos turn up occasionally. Could you give us photos to show what the whole piano looks like on the outside? There is useful general information about upright pianos at http://www.pianohistory.i...
by Bill Kibby
25 Jun 2017, 17:36
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Squire & Longson #126359
Replies: 2
Views: 752

Re: Squire & Longson #126359

1965~Squire&Longson#126359-u.jpg As I explained when you emailed me in June, Kembles no longer exist, so it is unlikely that they will answer emails. No archive material is available at the moment, it is stored at Hackney Archives, but not available for research. 1964numbers739#.jpg If you have...
by Bill Kibby
13 Jun 2017, 21:15
Forum: Piano Advice
Topic: Advice on used Kemble Classic
Replies: 9
Views: 5420

Re: Advice on used Kemble Classic

When a celeste is set up correctly, it provides a muffling effect so the music is very soft, but these were sometimes misleadingly described as "silent practice stops", I am guessing you mean a completely silent effect? At any rate, you can't pracise proper touch when these devices are in use. Some ...
by Bill Kibby
12 Jun 2017, 21:55
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Piano brand - Dorffman?
Replies: 1
Views: 582

Re: Piano brand - Dorffman ????

It seems odd spelling, like a Chinese idea of a German name, there are a few around, modern, but I don't know anything about them. Interestingly, the only one on Google Images was spelt wrongly! To quote my page at http://www.pianohistory.info/names.html Some people are disappointed if their piano d...
by Bill Kibby
12 Jun 2017, 19:15
Forum: Piano Advice
Topic: Advice on used Kemble Classic
Replies: 9
Views: 5420

Re: Advice on used Kemble Classic

My brain is mainly stuck in the 1800s as far as pianos are concerned. Dare I mention that if practice noise is a problem, an electronic piano with headphones may be the answer, some of them are very good now. I tried a portable Yamaha recently that was about £400 new, brilliant!
by Bill Kibby
12 Jun 2017, 11:21
Forum: Piano History
Topic: 1879 wrestplank (pinblock)
Replies: 0
Views: 673

1879 wrestplank (pinblock)

1879~Challenger#12785podesku.jpg I just wanted to share this with tuners out there. Recently, I was given an 1879 Challenger & Co. upright, arguably a cottage piano with pan legs. It was so terribly out of tune, and a major third below pitch. The tuning showed no sign of being tuned properly in the...
by Bill Kibby
11 Jun 2017, 21:37
Forum: Piano Advice
Topic: Advice on used Kemble Classic
Replies: 9
Views: 5420

Re: Advice on used Kemble Classic

The most important factor deciding the value of an old piano is not its name, but its condition, and the most important aspect of that is whether it holds in tune, because if it doesn't, repairs can cost over a thousand pounds, and this is usually more than an old piano is worth. Nobody anywhere can...
by Bill Kibby
11 Jun 2017, 11:20
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Knight
Replies: 1
Views: 592

Re: Knight

Only the date. If that was the serial number it would be a very old one, 1939, but piano numbers are rarely simple or straightforward, because most pianos have several numbers inside. Often you can find them by just lifting the top, or some are on the back of the piano, near the top. Normally with a...
by Bill Kibby
08 Jun 2017, 10:59
Forum: Piano History
Topic: John Brinsmead & Sons age
Replies: 1
Views: 582

Re: John Brinsmead & Sons age

The majority of pianos cannot be reliably dated just on the basis of numbers, and one of the reasons for this is that most pianos have several numbers inside. 82116 may suggest 1925, but Brinsmead serial numbers are not preceded by a letter, so this is probably a retailer's stock number for a firm w...
by Bill Kibby
05 Jun 2017, 19:24
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Collard Grand
Replies: 3
Views: 895

Re: Collard Grand

I have no idea what "higher ratio WNG action" means. My normal aproach would be to start by ignoring factual information such as numbers, and look for visible clues to the age of the piano. My first impression was that it might be about 1885. The black colour of the iron frame is original, although ...
by Bill Kibby
05 Jun 2017, 17:39
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Collard Grand
Replies: 3
Views: 895

Re: Collard Grand

It is certainly not 1829! Collard's numbers are the absolute worst to try to date, and the published information is completely misleading, so read my Collard lists about a third of the way down the page at http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html In practical terms, ten thousand or eleven thousand ...
by Bill Kibby
04 Jun 2017, 11:21
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Spencer baby grand #79595
Replies: 1
Views: 600

Re: 79595 spencer baby grand

The number suggests that it was made in 1925, but more modern Spencer pianos have been made by other firms with completely different number sequences.
by Bill Kibby
04 Jun 2017, 11:08
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Paul Gerard piano from Wheatlands Ltd.
Replies: 1
Views: 743

Paul Gerard piano from Wheatlands Ltd.

The majority of pianos cannot be reliably dated purely on the basis of numbers. Some "Paul Gerard" pianos (not Gerrard) were sold by Barnes, some by Wheatlands. Several people have commented on the similarity between the names "Gerard" & "Erard". Vernon Kennard says "I think you will find Paul Gerar...
by Bill Kibby
04 Jun 2017, 11:05
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Harper & Eavestaff questions
Replies: 5
Views: 1036

Re: Two more questions

I have now placed a very complicated set of numbers for various Eavestaff pianos at
http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html
but although the facts are accurate, don't assume that this will make your life easier!

#71013 could be around 1929... or not!
by Bill Kibby
03 Jun 2017, 20:22
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Harper & Eavestaff questions
Replies: 5
Views: 1036

Re: Two more questions

I am still wrestling with Eavestaff, but as for Harper, by 1911 they were known as the Harper Electric Piano Co. Ltd., Holloway, referring of course to player pianos operated by electric blowers, rather than pedalling bellows. These were invented by Percy Harper, and a lot of their history may be fo...
by Bill Kibby
02 Jun 2017, 22:40
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Harper & Eavestaff questions
Replies: 5
Views: 1036

Re: Two more questions

Eavestaff numbers are a nightmare, there are several sequences, and if the keys are not dated, I can only suggest that it might be Brasted 1932-ish, is it a Mini? Or it could be 1940 !! There will soon be a more complete set pf Eavestaff numbers at http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html WHICH HAR...
by Bill Kibby
19 May 2017, 23:08
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Can you tell me about the Knight K6?
Replies: 2
Views: 802

Re: Can you tell me about the Knight K6?

My impression is that K6 is not just one model, it has changed shape and size over the years. I don't have any details, but there are some shown on google images, and you could probably find bits of information attached to these. I don't know if I have any paperwork about the K6, but I will let you ...
by Bill Kibby
19 May 2017, 10:48
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Mystery!
Replies: 4
Views: 1040

Re: Mystery!

I have looked through the H files for Berlin firms, can't see any with an S. Could it be a postcode like Berlin S.O. or Berlin S.W.?
by Bill Kibby
18 May 2017, 19:25
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Mystery!
Replies: 4
Views: 1040

Re: Mystery!

I am looking, but when you say the action was made in Berlin, do you know who by, or what the action number is?
by Bill Kibby
13 May 2017, 13:19
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Age of Yamaha with D before number?
Replies: 1
Views: 669

Re: Age of Yamaha U1 with letter D before serial number?

The majority of pianos cannot be reliably dated just by numbers, as I explain at http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html Near the bottom of that page, I list several Yamaha pianos that I have tuned, and verified the dates. You will have more chance of an accurate date if you look inside. See http:...
by Bill Kibby
13 May 2017, 13:11
Forum: Piano History
Topic: George Russell Piano history
Replies: 1
Views: 576

Re: Piano history

Nobody can tell you anything about the individual piano just from the name, George Russell pianos were made for over a century. If you can post photos here, or email them to me, to show what the whole piano looks like, I may be able to tell you more. Meanwhile, there is useful general information at...
by Bill Kibby
11 May 2017, 11:08
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Barratt and Robinson Piano
Replies: 4
Views: 1178

Re: Barratt and Robinson Piano

This is a modern piano, 1960s or later. It is not rare, it is mass-produced. The red picture of exhibition medals mentions 1910, that only tells us that the piano was made after that event, as explained at http://www.pianohistory.info/exhibition.html The keys are your best chance of a date using the...
by Bill Kibby
11 May 2017, 09:30
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Barratt and Robinson Piano
Replies: 4
Views: 1178

Re: Barratt and Robinson Piano

I am sorry that I have had to correct your spelling, otherwise nobody will be able to google this post. Barratt & Robinson is a well-known name in London piano trade, but nobody can tell you anything about an individual piano just from the name. They made thousands of pianos over the period from 187...
by Bill Kibby
04 May 2017, 11:43
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Brinsmead #59734
Replies: 4
Views: 1492

Re: Brinsmead #59734

It was very common practise to log tuning dates in this way, as explained on my Datemarks page http://www.pianohistory.info/datemarks.html but they don't usually give so many dates, so it is interesting to have the photos. I am still looking for Osborn. Lerner Street? VICKERS (J.) BOLTON LANCASHIRE ...
by Bill Kibby
01 May 2017, 21:41
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Brinsmead #59734
Replies: 4
Views: 1492

Re: Brinsmead #59734

There are no original archives available to trace the original purchaser, or history of the individual piano. I am not the best person to ask about woods. It's important to realise that most pianos cannot be reliably dated purely on the basis of numbers, but I would put 59734 around 1907, which fits...