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by Bill Kibby
20 Feb 2018, 21:23
Forum: Piano History
Topic: John Spencer & Co., London
Replies: 40
Views: 17751

Re: John Spencer & Co., London

The numbers published elsewhere have inaccuracies. There is some information on my Numbers page http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html suggesting that that number was made in 1900. Looking at the photo of the whole piano, this seems reasonable. For more general information on Edwardian pianos, se...
by Bill Kibby
12 Feb 2018, 19:35
Forum: Piano History
Topic: B.Boudon pianos, Lyon
Replies: 5
Views: 1382

Re: B.Boudon pianos, Lyon

If it was made by Bord, we should be to date the number, but no such information is available for Boudon pianos, just that he started in 1891.
by Bill Kibby
09 Feb 2018, 10:10
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Carl Ehrlich Berlin Upright Piano
Replies: 1
Views: 114

Re: Carl Ehrlich Berlin Upright Piano

All I can say is it looks very much like the German uprights of the 1890s shown near the top of the page at http://www.pianohistory.info/edwardian.html but I have no exact dates. Nobody anywhere can guess the value or condition of a piano without inspecting it on the spot, and checking how well it h...
by Bill Kibby
09 Feb 2018, 10:06
Forum: Piano History
Topic: J. Becker grand piano
Replies: 25
Views: 12090

Re: J. Becker grand piano

All I can say is that based on my estimates of the dates of other Becker pianos, it might be around 1899.
by Bill Kibby
05 Feb 2018, 20:53
Forum: Piano History
Topic: J. Becker grand piano
Replies: 25
Views: 12090

Re: J. Becker grand piano

I'm sorry, you need to edit your post and correct the spelling, so we can understand what you are talking about. Nobody anywhere can guess the value or condition of a piano without inspecting it on the spot, and checking how well it holds in tune, so your local tuner is the best person to ask. With ...
by Bill Kibby
05 Feb 2018, 20:47
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Rushworth and dreaper pianola with Malcolm mechanical
Replies: 1
Views: 110

Re: Rushworth and dreaper pianola with Malcolm mechanical

Does the actual name Pianola appear on the piano? I can't advise you about the player action ("Pianola") but if the piano action was made by Malcolm, it should have a white paper label on the rear of the hammer rail, which gives a number I may be able to date. Some are listed in the Malcolm entry at...
by Bill Kibby
05 Feb 2018, 20:23
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Broadwood & Sons grand piano "by special order to the queen"...where is the serial number?
Replies: 1
Views: 231

Re: Broadwood & Sons grand piano "by special order to the queen"...where is the serial number?

Firstly, this individual piano has no connection with the queen, it is simply that the company has a royal appointment. Colman's mustard is "by royal appointment" but that doesn't mean her majesty has tasted every jar. The transfer is actually about Smith's royal appointment. Here in the UK, unresto...
by Bill Kibby
05 Feb 2018, 20:05
Forum: Piano History
Topic: 1878 Bechstein Grand Piano
Replies: 2
Views: 98

Re: 1878 Bechstein Grand Piano

As a piano historian, I am always being asked about tracing the history of individual pianos. Generally speaking, there are no records, so the little scraps of information you have are more than most people ever find. Unless the piano was logged in some official paperwork, it is unlikely you will fi...
by Bill Kibby
22 Jan 2018, 16:54
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Henry McIntosh Edinburgh
Replies: 5
Views: 1968

Re: Henry McIntosh Edinburgh

I have already answered this by email earlier.
by Bill Kibby
21 Jan 2018, 17:02
Forum: Piano History
Topic: George Russell piano by Cramer
Replies: 5
Views: 1538

Re: George Russell piano by Cramer

I am sorry I don't understand what you mean about the strings not matching the piano. A professional technician should be able to sort it out for you. The serial number might suggest something around 1890, so it almost certainly has an iron frame, even if it doesn't reach the top of the piano. Can y...
by Bill Kibby
11 Jan 2018, 22:26
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Simon piano
Replies: 5
Views: 2147

Re: Simon piano

It shows a medal for 1881, so it must have been made after that event. It looks typical of the 1890s, as shown at http://www.pianohistory.info/edwardian.html The most likely way to date an old German piano is to get your tuner to remove the action (the working parts of the notes) and look to see if ...
by Bill Kibby
11 Jan 2018, 22:14
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Year and make of Hoffman piano
Replies: 4
Views: 339

Re: Help with year and make of piano

To quote my Names page http://www.pianohistory.info/names.html Names like Hofman, Hoffman, Hoffmann, Hofmann, Haufmann and Hauptmann can be found on many old pianos, and although some of these were real makers' names, such as Hofmann & Czerny, some are certainly fake, for example most “Hauptmann” pi...
by Bill Kibby
27 Dec 2017, 18:07
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Carl Ecke, Berlin Upright piano
Replies: 1
Views: 535

Re: Carl Ecke, Berlin Upright piano

I think this is probably a case where you have found one number and assumed that it is the serial number. Most pianos have several numbers inside, as explained on my Numbers page http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html I would guess this piano was made around 1903, so it should have a number somet...
by Bill Kibby
27 Dec 2017, 16:35
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Beringer & Strohmenger
Replies: 3
Views: 478

Re: Beringer Strohmenger

That's very strange, the version that was displayed just now seemed to stop in mid-sentence, and had no number. Beringer & Strohmenger were a London firm from the 1880s at least up to the 1914 war, with no known connection to the other Strohmenger, but apparently following on after them. As far as I...
by Bill Kibby
27 Dec 2017, 16:04
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Beringer & Strohmenger
Replies: 3
Views: 478

Re: Beringer Strohmenger

This cannot be Gill asking me to date a piano just by its name??
by Bill Kibby
27 Dec 2017, 15:57
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Adolf Lehmann w/serial number. HELP
Replies: 1
Views: 459

Re: Adolf Lehmann w/serial number. HELP

The number suggests that it was made in 1923. Nobody anywhere can guess the value or condition of a piano without inspecting it on the spot and checking how well it holds in tune, so your local tuner is the best person to ask. Here in the UK, unrestored pianos of this age have very little value, and...
by Bill Kibby
27 Dec 2017, 15:50
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Chappell Piano Advice
Replies: 2
Views: 446

Re: Chappell Piano Advice

This is not a piano of the 1860s, it is more like 1920. There will be other numbers which should help us to narrow down the date. Have a look at the Victorian and Edwardian pages at pianohistory.info for examples of both periods. If it were an 1860s piano you would be lucky to get £30 here in the UK...
by Bill Kibby
27 Dec 2017, 15:36
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Tolkien cottage piano sold by Robert Maver
Replies: 1
Views: 523

Re: Unknown origin sold by Robert Haver 1800's Royal Seal Piano

This is not a royal piano. The retailer's name is actually Maver, and the important name here is Tolkien, the maker. It is difficult to imagine that "Exhibition Model" has any significance other than implying a connection with those coveted medals that all the makers wanted. My Names page http://www...
by Bill Kibby
21 Nov 2017, 09:37
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Black Erard
Replies: 2
Views: 548

Re: Black Erard

Serial numbers over twenty thousand usually indicate a Paris Erard, but it is important to remember that most pianos have several numbers inside, and this looks like a typical Edwardian London piano, as shown at http://www.pianohistory.info/edwardian.html Most pianos were veneered. "Ebonised" cases ...
by Bill Kibby
21 Nov 2017, 09:30
Forum: Piano History
Topic: C.E.LITTLE PIANO
Replies: 1
Views: 359

Re: C.E.LITTLE PIANO

It is likely that this piano was made in 1924, judging by the following item... 1924 #31071 C.E.Little & Sons final receipt for 1922 piano: Partners E.C. Little, L.A. Little. Head Office & factory; Whitley Road, Bruce Grove, Tottenham, N.17. Telephone Tottenham 2120. Pianoforte Warehouse; 328, Essex...
by Bill Kibby
21 Nov 2017, 09:20
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Chepstow London Piano
Replies: 1
Views: 549

Re: Chepstow London Piano

I am sorry I didn't realise you had posted 2 messages, so I answered on the other one. Nobody can tell you anything about the individual piano just from a name, and my Names page at pianohistory.info explains that many piano names are meaningless anyway. It also explains about "manufactured expressl...
by Bill Kibby
21 Nov 2017, 09:14
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Chepstow, London piano
Replies: 1
Views: 385

Re: need more info about my piano

It is not possible to tell you anything about an individual piano just from the name, can you post photos here to show the whole piano looks like? My Names page at pianohistory.info explains that many piano names are meaningless. Can you please check the spelling? My Edwardian page has lots of gener...
by Bill Kibby
06 Nov 2017, 15:14
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Berry 1951 piano value
Replies: 2
Views: 488

Re: Berry 1951 piano value

My Numbers page http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html explains that most pianos cannot be reliably dated purely on the basis of numbers. Near the bottom of the page I list some Berry numbers in the forty thousand range for that period. Nobody anywhere can guess the value or condition of a piano ...
by Bill Kibby
03 Nov 2017, 16:49
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Ernst Wittig Berlin piano
Replies: 1
Views: 587

Ernst Wittig Berlin piano

Firstly, 85 notes is the normal arrangement in old pianos, and as late as the sixties, I was selling lots of 85-note new pianos. Sadly I have no detailed information about Wittig, but I have just moved my collection from Norfolk to Lincolnshire, so it will be a while before I can search through book...
by Bill Kibby
23 Oct 2017, 11:38
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Age and history of Berry upright
Replies: 1
Views: 425

Re: Age and history of Berry upright

The name would have been a flimsy transfer under the polish, so it would be lost when the piano was repolished. I think this number suggests a date around 1928, but having just moved from Norfolk to Lincolnshire, I can't put my hands on the right book yet! However, my Numbers page http://www.pianohi...
by Bill Kibby
23 Sep 2017, 14:38
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Winkelmann & Co
Replies: 1
Views: 662

Re: Winkelmann & Co

By "costs" do you mean its value? You won't find anyone anywhere quoting the values of pianos without inspecting the piano on the spot, and checking if it holds in tune, so your local tuner is the best person to ask. Winkelmann is a fairly well-known name, later combined with Zeitter. There should b...
by Bill Kibby
23 Sep 2017, 14:35
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Horne and Thompson of Burton upon Trent
Replies: 1
Views: 686

Re: Horne and Thompson of Burton upon Trent

Edgar Horne was in Burton-upon-Trent in the 1880s and 1890s, and his name appears on pianos, but he was probably just one of many retailers buying in pianos from wholesalers and putting his name onto them. By 1911, they were Horne Thompson & Co. and by the thirties, they were a limited company. I am...
by Bill Kibby
23 Sep 2017, 14:24
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Pianola Factory in Middlesex around 1911
Replies: 1
Views: 804

Re: Pianola Factory in Middlesex around 1911

First, you need to understand that Pianola is just one of many brands of what are properly known as Player Pianos. The factory at Hayes was involved with several names, including Aeolian, Pianola, Weber and Orchestrelle, but I have never been clear about which was the parent company. I confess a cer...
by Bill Kibby
13 Sep 2017, 15:29
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Rosenthal Piano
Replies: 3
Views: 1918

Re: Rosenthal Piano

Nobody anywhere can guess the value or condition of a piano without inspecting it on the spot, and checking whether it holds in tune, so your local tuner is the best person to ask.
by Bill Kibby
25 Aug 2017, 22:08
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Richardson Edwardian Upright
Replies: 3
Views: 863

Re: Richardson Edwardian Upright

Pigot's Directory of Chester, 1828, lists Mrs Boucher, Music & Musical Instrument sellers, Abbey Street, Chester. This is the only reference I have found so far to the name Boucher. Wrexham Archives kindly told me that Adam Richardson died in 1908, and in view of the fact that the address appears to...
by Bill Kibby
24 Aug 2017, 10:22
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Richardson Edwardian Upright
Replies: 3
Views: 863

Re: Richardson Edwardian Upright

The piano transfer says that Richardson was successor to Boucher & Co. I can't find any record of Boucher & Co. yet, but Adam Richardson was at Chester by 1886, and opened the Wrexham branch by 1899 (after 1894). One possibility is that Richardson's new Wrexham branch was taken over from Boucher & C...
by Bill Kibby
24 Aug 2017, 09:38
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Richardson Edwardian Upright
Replies: 3
Views: 863

Re: Richardson Edwardian Upright

This is a typical Edwardian upright, as shown at http://www.pianohistory.info/edwardian.html The front decoration is incised, in other words it is scratched into the wood with a sharp tool, using a stencil as a guide. The action was imported from Germany, which suggests it is before the 1914 war. I ...
by Bill Kibby
21 Aug 2017, 20:06
Forum: Piano History
Topic: John G Murdoch Normelle Upright Piano
Replies: 5
Views: 2855

Re: John G Murdoch Normelle Upright Piano

As far as history is concerned, I don't think Normelle is anything to do with this Spencer piano, is it? This type of piano was not made in 1886, see http://www.pianohistory.info/edwardian.html and the 1880s Spencer examples at http://www.pianohistory.info/victorian.html I don't think Murdoch was in...
by Bill Kibby
08 Aug 2017, 17:38
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Carl Ecke Piano worth
Replies: 3
Views: 1274

Re: Carl Ecke Piano worth

I love the concept that a piano will not go out of tune if you play it!
by Bill Kibby
05 Aug 2017, 10:50
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Goulburn London piano
Replies: 4
Views: 1208

Re: Goulburn London piano

Unfortunately, because of a change in software on this forum, I am having trouble inserting your photos, so I am waiting for advice. The fact that the name is cast into the iron frame, as well as being on the front, suggests that the piano was always intended to be a "Goulburn", but so far, I can fi...
by Bill Kibby
04 Aug 2017, 10:06
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Goulburn London piano
Replies: 4
Views: 1208

Re: Goulburn London piano

It is not usually possible to tell you anything about an individual piano just from the name. If you can post photos here to show what the whole piano looks like, or email them to me to post, I may be able to tell you more. So far, I can find no references in our many London lists to a maker or reta...
by Bill Kibby
30 Jul 2017, 09:52
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Mayell Piano Manfacturers
Replies: 10
Views: 6322

Re: Mayell Piano Manfacturers

The only other one I know of is John Mayell, (nothing to do with the Bluesbreakers) who established his business at 547, Broadway, New York in 1861. Being a piano historian, I don't normally get asked about anything as modern as your pianos!
by Bill Kibby
24 Jul 2017, 16:51
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Herrburger Brooks action
Replies: 1
Views: 717

Re: Identification

Herrburger Brooks didn't make pianos, they made the action - the working parts of the notes. It only tells us it was made after 1919. If you want to search for clues inside the piano, have a look at http://www.pianohistory.info/datemarks.html If you can post photos here to show what the whole piano ...
by Bill Kibby
16 Jul 2017, 09:40
Forum: Piano Advice
Topic: New Kawai Age and History
Replies: 11
Views: 7332

Kawai

Kawai's website suggests that it was made in 1996. http://www.kawaius-tsd.com/pages/serial_manudate.html It's a bit too modern for my history files, but somebody who deals in new pianos may be able to answer more about the model. If you want to search inside it for a date, have a look at http://www....
by Bill Kibby
03 Jul 2017, 09:01
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Kirkman Baby Grand No 56277
Replies: 1
Views: 811

Re: Kirkman Baby Grand No 56277

My Numbers page
http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html
explains that most pianos cannot be reliably dated purely on the basis of numbers. It might be around 1937. If you can post photos here to show what the whole piano looks like, or email them to me to post, I may be able to tell you more.
by Bill Kibby
29 Jun 2017, 15:37
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Waldemar of Berlin
Replies: 7
Views: 11269

Re: Waldemar of Berlin

For general information see
http://www.pianohistory.info/edwardian.html
If you want to search inside the piano for a date see
http://www.pianohistory.info/datemarks.html
by Bill Kibby
27 Jun 2017, 21:02
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Waldemar of Berlin
Replies: 7
Views: 11269

Re: Waldemar of Berlin

Waldemar is a name from Queen Victoria's family, and is sometimes used as an alias on a variety of pianos, which means that we have no way of knowing who made them, unless there are clues inside. There were at least 4 companies using the name. Many were sold in Australia and New Zealand. No dates of...
by Bill Kibby
26 Jun 2017, 09:54
Forum: Piano History
Topic: F. Rubinstein & Co. what age is my piano?
Replies: 7
Views: 2725

Re: F. Rubinstein & Co. what age is my piano?

I have already seen this picture on the Pinterest website, it is possibly the only piano by this maker illustrated online. In spite of being made in Prague, it resembles the German uprights of the 1890s shown at
http://www.pianohistory.info/edwardian.html
and I would guess it was made around 1898.
by Bill Kibby
25 Jun 2017, 19:54
Forum: Piano History
Topic: F. Rubinstein & Co. what age is my piano?
Replies: 7
Views: 2725

Re: F. Rubinstein & Co. what age is my piano?

This is obviously a different Rubinstein, based in Prague, and I have no details about him, although the pianos turn up occasionally. Could you give us photos to show what the whole piano looks like on the outside? There is useful general information about upright pianos at http://www.pianohistory.i...
by Bill Kibby
25 Jun 2017, 17:36
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Squire & Longson #126359
Replies: 2
Views: 1116

Re: Squire & Longson #126359

1965~Squire&Longson#126359-u.jpg As I explained when you emailed me in June, Kembles no longer exist, so it is unlikely that they will answer emails. No archive material is available at the moment, it is stored at Hackney Archives, but not available for research. 1964numbers739#.jpg If you have...
by Bill Kibby
13 Jun 2017, 21:15
Forum: Piano Advice
Topic: Advice on used Kemble Classic
Replies: 9
Views: 6053

Re: Advice on used Kemble Classic

When a celeste is set up correctly, it provides a muffling effect so the music is very soft, but these were sometimes misleadingly described as "silent practice stops", I am guessing you mean a completely silent effect? At any rate, you can't pracise proper touch when these devices are in use. Some ...
by Bill Kibby
12 Jun 2017, 21:55
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Piano brand - Dorffman?
Replies: 1
Views: 849

Re: Piano brand - Dorffman ????

It seems odd spelling, like a Chinese idea of a German name, there are a few around, modern, but I don't know anything about them. Interestingly, the only one on Google Images was spelt wrongly! To quote my page at http://www.pianohistory.info/names.html Some people are disappointed if their piano d...
by Bill Kibby
12 Jun 2017, 19:15
Forum: Piano Advice
Topic: Advice on used Kemble Classic
Replies: 9
Views: 6053

Re: Advice on used Kemble Classic

My brain is mainly stuck in the 1800s as far as pianos are concerned. Dare I mention that if practice noise is a problem, an electronic piano with headphones may be the answer, some of them are very good now. I tried a portable Yamaha recently that was about £400 new, brilliant!
by Bill Kibby
12 Jun 2017, 11:21
Forum: Piano History
Topic: 1879 wrestplank (pinblock)
Replies: 0
Views: 934

1879 wrestplank (pinblock)

1879~Challenger#12785podesku.jpg I just wanted to share this with tuners out there. Recently, I was given an 1879 Challenger & Co. upright, arguably a cottage piano with pan legs. It was so terribly out of tune, and a major third below pitch. The tuning showed no sign of being tuned properly in the...
by Bill Kibby
11 Jun 2017, 21:37
Forum: Piano Advice
Topic: Advice on used Kemble Classic
Replies: 9
Views: 6053

Re: Advice on used Kemble Classic

The most important factor deciding the value of an old piano is not its name, but its condition, and the most important aspect of that is whether it holds in tune, because if it doesn't, repairs can cost over a thousand pounds, and this is usually more than an old piano is worth. Nobody anywhere can...