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by Bill Kibby
16 Aug 2018, 11:54
Forum: Piano History
Topic: J & J Hopkinson upright piano
Replies: 4
Views: 170

Re: J & J Hopkinson upright piano

1896HopkinsonLuton2u.JPG
I would say from the photos that 1906 is quite likely. Here's an 1896 Hopkinson from my collection.
by Bill Kibby
16 Aug 2018, 10:22
Forum: Piano History
Topic: A Bord Overstrung Underdamped ?1890s piano
Replies: 1
Views: 114

Re: A Bord Overstrung Underdamped ?1890s piano

Thanks for the sensible photos and very thorough description. There had to be a time when Bords would move on from the typical French pianinos they had been making for half a century, and although these continued for many years, your piano is much more an upright of the times although, as you say, t...
by Bill Kibby
15 Aug 2018, 21:32
Forum: Piano History
Topic: J & J Hopkinson upright piano
Replies: 4
Views: 170

Re: J & J Hopkinson upright piano

That number suggests that it was made in 1906, but my Numbers page
http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html
explains that dating pianos purely on the basis of numbers is often not as simple as it seems.

Are you able to post photos to show what the whole piano looks like?
by Bill Kibby
07 Aug 2018, 11:26
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Thos. Dawkins & Co., London
Replies: 1
Views: 93

Re: Thos Dawkins & Co., London

Apart from a modern influx of Baldwins, we rarely see American pianos over here, and I have never seen a Chickering in England. Photos would certainly help, especially if they show what the WHOLE piano looks like. This side of the ocean, we have no idea what a vertical console is, and plates are kno...
by Bill Kibby
29 Jul 2018, 22:35
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Rogers by Vincent?
Replies: 0
Views: 90

Rogers by Vincent?

Does anyone happen to know why a 1937 "George Rogers" piano would have "Vincent" as the maker's name on the key-frame label?
by Bill Kibby
22 Jul 2018, 20:12
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Ralph Allisons and Sons Limited London
Replies: 3
Views: 2983

Re: Ralph Allisons and Sons Limited London

It looks like something from the 1890s, and that number suggests that it may be from around 1897. Have a look at
http://www.pianohistory.info/edwardian.html
by Bill Kibby
22 Jul 2018, 20:05
Forum: Piano History
Topic: piano Erard
Replies: 1
Views: 89

Re: piano Erard

My Numbers page http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html explains that it often not as simple as it seems to date a piano purely on the basis of numbers, #62105 suggests that it may have been made around 1890, but are there any other numbers in there? Please tell us the exact, complete wording of t...
by Bill Kibby
20 Jul 2018, 11:55
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Robert Cocks & Co.
Replies: 11
Views: 5424

Re: Robert Cocks & Co.

Thanks but I have no dealings with facebook, it won't let me view the photos. Any chance you could email them to me? The links all seem to be the same. And could you show me what the WHOLE piano looks like, that is often more useful than interior details. To quote the main page on my own website, no...
by Bill Kibby
19 Jul 2018, 15:38
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Piano History Museum
Replies: 1
Views: 595

Re: Piano History Museum

If anyone in England wants to donate non-upright pianos, or pre-victorian instruments, including clavichord or harpichord, I would be pleased to hear from you. It is difficult to find interesting developments at the modern end of things, and we would like to find a Kemble portable in any state.
by Bill Kibby
16 Jul 2018, 14:04
Forum: Piano History
Topic: George Rogers & Sons date please
Replies: 2
Views: 128

Re: George Rogers & Sons date please

Charles J. Vincent was based in Sunderland, does that seem likely?
by Bill Kibby
16 Jul 2018, 13:12
Forum: Piano History
Topic: George Rogers & Sons date please
Replies: 2
Views: 128

Re: George Rogers & Sons date please

Posting it under two separate headings creates a lot of confusion, so please stick to replying on this one so we can help you. The number suggests that it was made in 1910, but my Numbers page http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html explains that dating pianos purely on the basis of numbers is oft...
by Bill Kibby
10 Jul 2018, 21:14
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Eavestaff Pianette "Minipiano"
Replies: 27
Views: 26442

Re: Eavestaff Pianette "Minipiano"

Thanks for showing us what it looks like. Under the keyboard is the tuning flap. If you open it, there should be a serial number at the lefthand end, imprinted in the wood. Can you tell me what it is? My experience of these is that although they can fetch a few hundred pounds, they often raise very ...
by Bill Kibby
06 Jul 2018, 19:59
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Carl Ecke Piano worth
Replies: 5
Views: 2585

Re: Carl Ecke Piano worth

I have no idea what BJ350 means!
by Bill Kibby
24 Jun 2018, 23:53
Forum: Piano History
Topic: William Gillegin
Replies: 7
Views: 7271

Re: WILLIAM GILLEGIN

I can find no record of any music or piano firms with this unusual spelling, but there is a tuner named WIlliam Gilligan listed in 1891, the more usual spelling.
1891GilliganGillegin137x.jpg
He is also listed in my Post Office London Directory for 1892, still as a pianoforte tuner.
by Bill Kibby
20 Jun 2018, 14:23
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Geo. Russell Piano
Replies: 4
Views: 819

Re: Geo. Russell Piano

The only other clue I have so far is that they were known as George Russell AND COMPANY by 1886, so the piano is probably before that, and after 1880, so the mean date would be "circa 1883".
by Bill Kibby
19 Jun 2018, 12:41
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Geo. Russell Piano
Replies: 4
Views: 819

Re: George Russell Piano

The key coverings are ivory. Thanks for the photos, the most important one for me is the one that shows what the whole piano looks like. This is a Victorian Cottage Piano, as described at http://www.pianohistory.info/victorian.html These are the most common surviving Victorian pianos, and I spend a ...
by Bill Kibby
10 Jun 2018, 10:48
Forum: Piano History
Topic: John Brinsmead upright piano
Replies: 1
Views: 359

Re: Information on John Brinsmead upright piano

Normally, you should be able to just open the top and look inside to find numbers, there may be more than one. My Numbers page http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html explains that dating pianos purely on the basis of numbers is not always as simple as it seems, and if you can post photos here to ...
by Bill Kibby
20 May 2018, 19:54
Forum: Piano History
Topic: C Otto Berlin, upright piano
Replies: 1
Views: 324

Re: C Otto Berlin, upright piano

The tuning dates are often a good clue, I would have put the Lexow number around 1903, but that's close enough. I know very little about C. Otto. The main number seems to be 14509, but it doesn't line up with Carl Otto's numbers.
by Bill Kibby
20 May 2018, 19:36
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Broadwood Green Frame
Replies: 3
Views: 781

Re: Broadwood Green Frame

Sounds like a question you should ask Broadwoods. I confess that in all the piano specifications I have on file, I rarely mention the colour of the frame. If I had realised that it would be important to anyone, I would have added the colour to my list of details.
by Bill Kibby
16 May 2018, 10:18
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Wegner upright piano
Replies: 2
Views: 2942

Re: Wegner upright piano

You don't give the number. There were several piano and music firms named Wegner in the twenties, in Germany and Austria, but the American ones were (as you say) made by Kreiter, Milwaukee. They were established in 1896, so I don't know what 1885 is about, perhaps it is just a number. It's unlikely ...
by Bill Kibby
04 May 2018, 16:45
Forum: Piano History
Topic: J.&J. HOPKINSON PIANO
Replies: 7
Views: 1300

Re: J.&J. HOPKINSON PIANO

I found the retailer, his name was Haigh. The following information suggests that he doesn't seem to have started until the 1890s, but it simply means he was not listed in directories, and we have to assume that he sold it new in the 1870s, because it says "made for", and the serial number suggests ...
by Bill Kibby
01 May 2018, 22:15
Forum: Piano History
Topic: j.Becker help with age or info
Replies: 1
Views: 645

Re: j.Becker help with age or info

There are very few published dates for Becker serial numbers, and they don't always agree with each other. Someone calling himself Finland_tuner says he has dates of numbers. Perhaps you can find him on the internet. Around a century ago, there was a fad for dressing up pianos to look as if they wer...
by Bill Kibby
30 Apr 2018, 13:52
Forum: Piano History
Topic: J.&J. HOPKINSON PIANO
Replies: 7
Views: 1300

Re: J.&J. HOPKINSON PIANO

This is a history forum, we don't reject pianos just because they don't conform to modern specifications. Most of the pianos in my piano history museum (under construction) will not conform, but if you like the piano, and want to keep it, you will probably spend more on tuning than it is worth. Some...
by Bill Kibby
30 Apr 2018, 13:44
Forum: Piano Advice
Topic: Challen Bureau Piano
Replies: 21
Views: 2107

Re: Challen Bureau Piano

I am amazed that so much space is devoted to a click in a piano, when a tuner on the spot should be able to sort it out. How can we guess what it is from here?
by Bill Kibby
25 Apr 2018, 17:07
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Steinway Model B “modern legs” have same serial number
Replies: 3
Views: 651

Re: Steinway Model B “modern legs” have same serial number

I wouldn't say it was normal practice, and many pianos are modernised with no thought for history, but it seems likely that whoever did the job bought a set of number punches and made it more authentic... Or were they being devious and trying to make it seem original? I would have thought that the l...
by Bill Kibby
22 Apr 2018, 22:45
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Sames Piano
Replies: 2
Views: 478

Re: Sames Piano

Now that I can see the photos, it obviously is a Same S piano. Unfortunately, no serial number dates are available for these, but I would guess it was made around 1921, around the time of their factory fire. I have no prices for Sames around that time, but in the twenties some of their uprights were...
by Bill Kibby
22 Apr 2018, 22:23
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Sames Piano
Replies: 2
Views: 478

Re: Same Piano help please

Sorry, I don't understand, what do you mean by "same piano"? Is it made by William Sames?
by Bill Kibby
10 Apr 2018, 17:03
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Hofmann 19306 Donated to Charity
Replies: 2
Views: 622

Re: Hofmann 19306 Donated to Charity

I'm sorry to say you have very little hope of learning anything from that name. I have a Hofmann upright, English Edwardian, but grands are usually difficult to date by appearance. The photos are such low resolution I can't see any useful detail. There were over 40 piano and music firms called Hofma...
by Bill Kibby
06 Apr 2018, 09:22
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Görs & Kallmann made in London
Replies: 3
Views: 746

Re: Görs & Kallmann made in London

My Numbers page http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html has a list for Gors & Kallmann, and says... 1934 Challen pianos were being made in London at the Brasted factory, with the “Gors & Kallmann” name on them, and numbers in the 120,000 range, which do not correspond to serial numbers for Gors & ...
by Bill Kibby
06 Apr 2018, 00:31
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Kemble minx age
Replies: 4
Views: 907

Re: Kemble minx age

My Numbers page
http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html
explains that dating pianos purely on the basis of numbers is often not as simple as it seems.
by Bill Kibby
06 Apr 2018, 00:26
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Truck stuck
Replies: 0
Views: 666

Truck stuck

Now that most of our pianos are in place in the museum space, I really don't want to be driving a big van around, but I need to have the option of picking up or delivering ONE piano, and that's where I want to pick the brains of any of you who are in the piano trade. Suzukipickup850.jpg I used to dr...
by Bill Kibby
03 Apr 2018, 20:34
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Kemble minx age
Replies: 4
Views: 907

Re: Kemble minx age

That should be 1938, but there is probably a label on the key-frame. I played one in a local pub, and found that I was playing it on its 80th birthday!
by Bill Kibby
28 Mar 2018, 20:33
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Piano History Museum
Replies: 1
Views: 595

Piano History Museum

Having spent over ten years planning layouts for buildings that never happened, it is a strange feeling to be actually standing in a large museum time-line space, and not only shifting actual pianos around, (rather than drawings on a screen) but also doing building work, and trying my best to compre...
by Bill Kibby
25 Mar 2018, 14:03
Forum: Piano History
Topic: J. Becker grand piano
Replies: 27
Views: 15697

Re: J. Becker grand piano

I realise this is not a grand, but is it a Becker? If not, you should post it again as a NEW TOPIC or you won't get much response. Please tell us any names and information you can find, and also have a look at
http://www.pianohistory.info/datemarks.html
by Bill Kibby
23 Mar 2018, 21:05
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Millard Piano, London
Replies: 3
Views: 1003

Re: Millard Piano, London

I'm sorry your post has been overlooked, but it has nothing to do with the heading, and you would stand more chance of useful responses if you post it again as a new topic. The comments above about piano names probably apply to Chepstow as well, but I will check to see if I can find anything about t...
by Bill Kibby
22 Mar 2018, 15:51
Forum: Piano History
Topic: any info on my piano?? Schonebeck Berlin
Replies: 2
Views: 3470

Re: any info on my piano?? Schonebeck Berlin

I don't know what happened to the original enquiry, but I do know that Sharples sold SCHONEBECKE, Berlin pianos, probably in Edwardian times. (Not Schonenbecke or Schonebeck.)However, I have no details about this name, and it may be another example of genuinely German pianos being sold here with fak...
by Bill Kibby
21 Mar 2018, 17:48
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Knight piano?
Replies: 5
Views: 2160

Re: Knight piano?

The link I sent you explains that numbers on keys are hardly ever helpful. K4 is the model, I have no idea about T 82.

If there is no marking on the sides of the bottom keys, or underneath them, I have no other suggestions.

Does anyone out there know where we could find the serial number?
by Bill Kibby
19 Mar 2018, 20:33
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Knight piano?
Replies: 5
Views: 2160

Re: Knight piano?

1935~Knight946u.jpg This picture was sent to me years ago, said to be 1930s. When you uncovered the keys, did you have a look at http://www.pianohistory.info/datemarks.html I don't believe this is the serial number, it is not where I expect to find it, and it doesn't seem a suitable range either. H...
by Bill Kibby
16 Mar 2018, 18:12
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Knight piano?
Replies: 5
Views: 2160

Re: Knight piano

Most British pianos have 85 notes and 2 pedals. My Numbers page http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html explains that dating pianos purely on the basis of numbers is often not as simple as it seems. There are some Knight dates near the bottom of that page. FInding just one number does not guarante...
by Bill Kibby
15 Mar 2018, 13:07
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Holland Piano Age?
Replies: 4
Views: 2249

Re: Holland Piano Age?

You would have better chance of responses if you posted this again as a new topic, it has nothing to do with the Holland heading.
by Bill Kibby
13 Mar 2018, 15:44
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Piano with Kohler action
Replies: 3
Views: 1154

Re: Who made this piano?

Lyres are a very common idea in pianos but I have not been able to identify this one so far
by Bill Kibby
12 Mar 2018, 18:47
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Kirchner Piano Co.
Replies: 2
Views: 3216

Re: Kirchner Piano Co.

We are definitely still around, although the original post that I was answering seems to have disappeared. There are quite a few Kirchner pianos around, mostly in New Zealand, but I don't believe it is a real maker's name. My Names page http://www.pianohistory.info/names.html explains that fake Germ...
by Bill Kibby
12 Mar 2018, 18:14
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Piano with Kohler action
Replies: 3
Views: 1154

Who made this piano?

Pianos don't usually work with transplanted parts. Makers who used Kohler actions include Stolle, Marschner, Rosetti, Ramsperger, Hardt, Schumann, Neufeld, Hofman. As always, it may help if you could post a photo that shows me what the WHOLE piano looks like, but my Grands page http://www.pianohisto...
by Bill Kibby
10 Mar 2018, 00:21
Forum: Piano History
Topic: F. Rubinstein & Co. what age is my piano?
Replies: 9
Views: 4419

Re: F. Rubinstein & Co. what age is my piano?

You would have a much better chance of useful responses if you post this enquiry as a new topic, because it has nothing to do with Rubinstein. My Numbers page http://www.pianohistory.info/numbers.html explains that dating pianos purely on the basis of numbers is not always as simple as it seems. Pub...
by Bill Kibby
08 Mar 2018, 23:15
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Rushworth & Dreaper Pianola with Malcolm mechanics
Replies: 3
Views: 1124

Re: Rushworth and dreaper pianola with Malcolm mechanical

This should really be posted as a new topic, because it has nothing to do with the heading. I had an enquiry about this piano in 2016 from someone called Rose. I can only estimate 1910-13 based on the number. Can you post photos here to show what the whole piano looks like? Or email them to me?
by Bill Kibby
07 Mar 2018, 00:44
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Brinsmead #59734
Replies: 6
Views: 3197

Re: Brinsmead S4659

Is it really a letter S before the 4659? This would not be a serial number, probably a stock number for a retailer whose initial is S. As explained above, dating pianos purely on the basis of numbers is often not as simple as it seems. Can you post photos here to show what the whole piano looks like...
by Bill Kibby
06 Mar 2018, 18:43
Forum: Piano History
Topic: G. Parsons Plymouth piano
Replies: 4
Views: 883

Re: G. Parsons Plymouth piano

Did you have a look at
http://www.pianohistory.info/datemarks.html

That's not on this website, it's mine.
by Bill Kibby
05 Mar 2018, 19:33
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Piano manufactured for Robert Cross & Son
Replies: 14
Views: 1695

Re: John Brinsmead manufactured for Robert Cross & Son

If you have a look at my Edwardian page http://www.pianohistory.info/edwardian.html you will see that there were thousands of similar pianos made in the first decade of the 1900s, and Brinsmeads were not usually different in any obvious way to the others, apart from occasional special designs. If yo...
by Bill Kibby
05 Mar 2018, 18:59
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Piano manufactured for Robert Cross & Son
Replies: 14
Views: 1695

Re: John Brinsmead manufactured for Robert Cross & Son

So where did Brinsmead come into it?
by Bill Kibby
05 Mar 2018, 17:29
Forum: Piano History
Topic: Steck, The Aeolian Company Ltd.
Replies: 9
Views: 11051

J. Marr Wood & Co Ltd.

You would have a better chance of responses if you posted this as a new topic, with the proper name of the piano as the heading, rather than replying to a string of posts about Steck. I can't do that for you. No dates of Marr Wood piano numbers are published, and I don't even know off the top of my ...